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Old 10-22-2006, 12:09 AM   #31 (permalink)
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whats chuck going to do when wanderlei comes at him with muay thai knees and killer strikes (ala anderson silva but better)? nothing.. hell anderson silva can take him.. for dana white to make him fight a retiring figther three times and alot of the sequels and trilogys... just proves they ran out of figthers.. and dana white is a just a greedy ***** making us pay for crap rematches when we arelady know the winner, they really need to get new figthers in the lw division


by the way chuck still fights exactly the same way b4 no difference watch the videos' ass holes
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Old 10-22-2006, 12:14 AM   #32 (permalink)
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It's been a couple years since Chuck lost to Quinton Jackson so it seems many people forgot just how badly Chuck was dominated in that fight. Chuck did hold a bit of his own but he was clearly outclassed and that brutal ground and pound at the end is the stuff nightmares are made of. Let's be honest, as dominant as Chuck has been at UFC, I feel that is a major tarnish on his record that he needs to redeem. Any prospects of him facing Jackson again? Does he even want to? I think he stands a better chance against Wanderlei Silva to be honest.
Can you really say this? I mean really this is the same logic that got him to fight and dominate Jeremy Horn after his earlier loss. As for wandy, he got handled by Vitor, and vitor got dropped by lidell, see where im going with this?
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Old 10-22-2006, 02:53 AM   #33 (permalink)
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whats chuck going to do when wanderlei comes at him with muay thai knees and killer strikes (ala anderson silva but better)? nothing.. hell anderson silva can take him.. for dana white to make him fight a retiring figther three times and alot of the sequels and trilogys... just proves they ran out of figthers.. and dana white is a just a greedy ***** making us pay for crap rematches when we arelady know the winner, they really need to get new figthers in the lw division


by the way chuck still fights exactly the same way b4 no difference watch the videos' ass holes

hey what do ya know... someone with a brain

Chuck has been beating up old men and pure grapplers for the past couple yrs , he wont beable to handle wandy ... wakeup ppl
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:08 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Ok I did some homework. Here is WHY Chuck would not be dominated in the same way he was in his previous fight with Jackson.

Go back and watch the rampage fight. Notice how chuck stood still in front of Jackson and waited to coutner punch. Now go and watch the first Randy and Liddel fight. Yup, now you know exactly where Randy got his strategy from. They way he fought Liddel was almost identical to the way Rampage beat him. I mean if you painted Randy black and put a chain around his neck......its the same fight.

So chuck got his ass handed to him twice with the same strategy. He got beat down the middle with the punches. Which frustrated him and allowed the takedowns.

Now fast forward to the last two Randy fights and the Sobrel ones. ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Chuck never really stops moving. He keeps moving on his angles which makes it very difficult to get the take down on him. Yeah he still counters lots but now when he circles you you cant come down the middle before. In other words when he circles and you try to come down the middle with those punches watch out for that hook because by circling he set him self up pefectly for it.

Im not saying Chuck would win easily, what im saying is that he has addressed those issues which caused him to loose before. Those holes in his game are shut/or will be alot more difficult to exploit.

It would be a different fight im sure of it.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:22 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Ok I did some homework. Here is WHY Chuck would not be dominated in the same way he was in his previous fight with Jackson.

Go back and watch the rampage fight. Notice how chuck stood still in front of Jackson and waited to coutner punch. Now go and watch the first Randy and Liddel fight. Yup, now you know exactly where Randy got his strategy from. They way he fought Liddel was almost identical to the way Rampage beat him. I mean if you painted Randy black and put a chain around his neck......its the same fight.

So chuck got his ass handed to him twice with the same strategy. He got beat down the middle with the punches. Which frustrated him and allowed the takedowns.

Now fast forward to the last two Randy fights and the Sobrel ones. ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Chuck never really stops moving. He keeps moving on his angles which makes it very difficult to get the take down on him. Yeah he still counters lots but now when he circles you you cant come down the middle before. In other words when he circles and you try to come down the middle with those punches watch out for that hook because by circling he set him self up pefectly for it.

Im not saying Chuck would win easily, what im saying is that he has addressed those issues which caused him to loose before. Those holes in his game are shut/or will be alot more difficult to exploit.

It would be a different fight im sure of it.

You've noticed too huh? Good post. Page had the advantage of throwing straighter punches and a stationary target in Chuck. But now, Chuck moves laterally....albeit slow as ****, but he moves now, picking his spots to counter.

I'm not completely sold on Rampage being "changed" since he seems to be rebuilding himself as a fighter training up in Big Bear, and sometimes with Ortiz's camp too. And for the first time he has a variety of sparring partners to work with more so than when he was in Japan.
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Old 10-22-2006, 09:26 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Ok I did some homework. Here is WHY Chuck would not be dominated in the same way he was in his previous fight with Jackson.

Go back and watch the rampage fight. Notice how chuck stood still in front of Jackson and waited to coutner punch. Now go and watch the first Randy and Liddel fight. Yup, now you know exactly where Randy got his strategy from. They way he fought Liddel was almost identical to the way Rampage beat him. I mean if you painted Randy black and put a chain around his neck......its the same fight.

So chuck got his ass handed to him twice with the same strategy. He got beat down the middle with the punches. Which frustrated him and allowed the takedowns.

Now fast forward to the last two Randy fights and the Sobrel ones. ITS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT. Chuck never really stops moving. He keeps moving on his angles which makes it very difficult to get the take down on him. Yeah he still counters lots but now when he circles you you cant come down the middle before. In other words when he circles and you try to come down the middle with those punches watch out for that hook because by circling he set him self up pefectly for it.

Im not saying Chuck would win easily, what im saying is that he has addressed those issues which caused him to loose before. Those holes in his game are shut/or will be alot more difficult to exploit.

It would be a different fight im sure of it.
I did previously say Chuck has been good about making adjusments and also said he doesn't seem to let previous losses affect current fights, which means he must be mentally strong. There are some good points you made here, only thing I would argue is that the adjustments that had to be made between Couture-Chuck were far less than what would be required if he faced Rampage. I think Rampage is a better striker than Couture and would be able to handle adjustments made by Chuck
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Old 10-22-2006, 10:21 AM   #37 (permalink)
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yeah your right rampage is way better striker then randy, however if randy couldnt take him down then it would be very difficult for rampage to do it. Meaning that it would be a stand up fight. Rampage has been caught alot chasing other fighters lately. Which plays right into the hands of Chuck.

Dont get me wrong I do think Chuck stand at least a 50/50 chance at losing, however I dont think you would see the massacre that was the previous fight.
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Old 10-22-2006, 11:22 AM   #38 (permalink)
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Yep i defintely agree, Rampage just seemed hungrier. He almost got slammed but Chuck grabbed the ropes to prevent it. It would be great fight but i just think Rampage has Chucks number..........


Kinda how Tito had Kens number.. Since Ken lost to to tito that is like saying if Ken beat Frank.. then that would erase his losses to Tito since Tito beat frank.,, sadly it does not work that way... ( yea I know frank would likely win just the only example that popped to mind)

Chuck would have to beat Rampage to cancel that not some guy who beat rampage.
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Old 10-22-2006, 11:46 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Can you really say this? I mean really this is the same logic that got him to fight and dominate Jeremy Horn after his earlier loss. As for wandy, he got handled by Vitor, and vitor got dropped by lidell, see where im going with this?


yeah wandy lost to vitor in 98. jeez. and vitor lost to chuck in 2002, and vitor was nowhere near the fighter he used to be. plus he is one of the most incostintent fighters in ufc...

and mma math doesn't work, Chuck got destroyed by rampage and rampage got destroyed by Wanderlei the same night.

that's a better mma math don't you think(although it doesn't prove anything) then using a fight that happened 8 years ago for an example.(vitor-wandy).

that being said, i will pick wanderlei for the win, but chuck is a smarter fighter then he was in the rampage fight. this is a very very hard fight to call. especially with two fighters the caliber of wandy and chuck. each of these fighters have some of the best striking power in mma and both of them can knock the other out in the blink of an eye.

a definate winner of this fight would be the fans.


i doubt either organization will just let the other have the fight though, this has the potential for a main event that's going to sell a lot of ppv's. perhaps an inter-organization fight event.
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Kinda how Tito had Kens number.. Since Ken lost to to tito that is like saying if Ken beat Frank.. then that would erase his losses to Tito since Tito beat frank.,, sadly it does not work that way... ( yea I know frank would likely win just the only example that popped to mind)

Chuck would have to beat Rampage to cancel that not some guy who beat rampage.
Yeah, I agree with this 100% .. Chuck's gotta beat Rampage, not the guy who beat Rampage ... Chuck could cream Wandy and still lose to Jackson .. Dana White probably doesn't want to lose Chuck as champ though
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