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Old 08-15-2008, 03:37 PM   #11 (permalink)
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difference is UFC bought pride

And between coleman or sakuraba I think sakuraba is more deserving
You understand that Mark Coleman was the first real athlete to come into the sport of MMA. Sure, Ken Shamrock was a little bit athletic, but Coleman was a legit NCAA champion.

He introduced the groundnpound as a style for wrestlers and he revolutionized grappling in MMA by introducing straight shot wrestling of NCAA caliber, instead of the judo basics of the early UFC.

That and he was the first UFC heavyweight champion.

Mark Coleman changed the way that people look at MMA, he changed the way that fighters train and he was the pioneer of wrestling as a form of fighting in the sport.

I like Sakuraba, but Sakuraba didn't change the way that fighters fight. He did change the way that many see the Gracie family, but he did not revolutionize the sport.

Does Sakuraba deserve to be in a general MMA Hall-of-Fame? Absolutely. He has some accomplishments in the sport and a lengthy history that is worth recognizing.

Does he deserve to be in more than Mark Coleman? Not at all.

Mark Coleman defined a generation of fighters. Without him we don't get Mark Kerr, we don't get Kevin Randleman, we don't get Sean Sherk. All of those wrestlers (love them or hate them), come to MMA in the footsteps of Mark Coleman.

It's fine to defend Sakuraba, but you probably shouldn't do it at the expense of a fighter far more accomplished than he is.
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Old 08-15-2008, 03:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Do you think Ernesto Hoost will ever be in UFC hall of fame?

for what he did in K1 i think he should be in

*just joking, the answer is no he never fought for UFC.
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Old 08-15-2008, 03:43 PM   #13 (permalink)
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difference is UFC bought pride
Yeah, but the UFC bought Pride to bury it and sweep it under the rug, not to say "Look at how awesome some of these guys were that fought for our competitors!"

(At least not until those folks signed with the UFC, then they were suddenly great, and came to the UFC because of it.)
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Old 08-15-2008, 03:45 PM   #14 (permalink)
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You understand that Mark Coleman was the first real athlete to come into the sport of MMA. Sure, Ken Shamrock was a little bit athletic, but Coleman was a legit NCAA champion.

He introduced the groundnpound as a style for wrestlers and he revolutionized grappling in MMA by introducing straight shot wrestling of NCAA caliber, instead of the judo basics of the early UFC.

That and he was the first UFC heavyweight champion.

Mark Coleman changed the way that people look at MMA, he changed the way that fighters train and he was the pioneer of wrestling as a form of fighting in the sport.

I like Sakuraba, but Sakuraba didn't change the way that fighters fight. He did change the way that many see the Gracie family, but he did not revolutionize the sport.

Does Sakuraba deserve to be in a general MMA Hall-of-Fame? Absolutely. He has some accomplishments in the sport and a lengthy history that is worth recognizing.

Does he deserve to be in more than Mark Coleman? Not at all.

Mark Coleman defined a generation of fighters. Without him we don't get Mark Kerr, we don't get Kevin Randleman, we don't get Sean Sherk. All of those wrestlers (love them or hate them), come to MMA in the footsteps of Mark Coleman.

It's fine to defend Sakuraba, but you probably shouldn't do it at the expense of a fighter far more accomplished than he is.

Fedor has also admitted that coleman was a big influence on his fighting style .Coleman may have invented the ground and pound but fedor perfected it.
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Old 08-15-2008, 03:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Fedor has also admitted that coleman was a big influence on his fighting style .Coleman may have invented the ground and pound but fedor perfected it.
Coleman was a big influence on everyone's fighting style. Every good pro fighter that I talk to says that Mark Coleman was one of their influences.

It's like rock stars talking about Led Zepplin or the Beatles. If they say that they weren't influenced, they're full of sh*t.

It's like if a jiu-jitsu fighter says they weren't influenced by Rickson. They're just lying.
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Coleman was a big influence on everyone's fighting style. Every good pro fighter that I talk to says that Mark Coleman was one of their influences.

It's like rock stars talking about Led Zepplin or the Beatles. If they say that they weren't influenced, they're full of sh*t.

It's like if a jiu-jitsu fighter says they weren't influenced by Rickson. They're just lying.
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Old 08-15-2008, 04:04 PM   #17 (permalink)
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he DID fight in the UFC. but he has only fought 1 fighter.
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:18 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Despite Coleman winning UFC10, UFC11 and being the first ever UFC HW champ?

I'm calling troll...

I dont see why your calling me a troll but anyways

I am a saku fan and I find the list of people he has beaten more impressive then coleman

Maybe pointing out coleman was wrong from me sorry if I offended you
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:54 PM   #19 (permalink)
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I dont see why your calling me a troll but anyways

I am a saku fan and I find the list of people he has beaten more impressive then coleman

Maybe pointing out coleman was wrong from me sorry if I offended you
It clearly wasn't trolling, it just wasn't very smart.

I mean, as much of a Sakuraba fan as you might be, we're talking about a fighter that has never won a world championship and has never held a #1 ranking in the world. As far as I'm concerned, a fighter that has been the top man in the world, even if its only for a few fights, has a more memorable career than a fighter who doesn't.

If we're going to talk about fighters who belong in a Hall-of-Fame, there's a long list. Alot of people recognize Saku, but he's only got a handful of wins over recognizable fighters, and none of them are over fighters in their prime (with the exception of, perhaps, Randleman).

There is historical significance in regards to Sakuraba, but there are 20 guys I can think of who deserve to be in a Hall-of-Fame before Saku, and Coleman is one of them.
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Old 08-15-2008, 05:56 PM   #20 (permalink)
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hehe, Pride != UFC

Saku is one of my all time favs and always will be no matter what... but his time in the UFC didn't earn him a hall of fame birth and Pride is dust, so no.
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