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Old 08-16-2008, 01:32 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Let's see, on top of being the quickest American to get a black belt in Jui-Jitsu, tool Judo blackbelts as a white belt, actively compete and win at the black belt level in jui jitsu, BJ has a lot of other qualities to being an MMA fighter. On top of his excellent grappling creds, he has a rock solid chin, dangerous strikes, crazy power for a small dude and incredible TDD. On top of that, people really started to love the guy when he stopped giving a shit about the sport and took a bad ass approach. And even more when he decided he wanted to be the greatest and started to take it serious again. Not to mention he has no problem fighting 205'ers and talking trash to sell a fight.

Hmmm....these are good points, too.
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Ah, you seriously don't see what the big deal with this guy is?

The fact that he is one of the greatest and most well rounded fighters of all time went straight over your head did it?
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Old 08-16-2008, 01:44 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Let's see, on top of being the quickest American to get a black belt in Jui-Jitsu, tool Judo blackbelts as a white belt, actively compete and win at the black belt level in jui jitsu, BJ has a lot of other qualities to being an MMA fighter. On top of his excellent grappling creds, he has a rock solid chin, dangerous strikes, crazy power for a small dude and incredible TDD. On top of that, people really started to love the guy when he stopped giving a shit about the sport and took a bad ass approach. And even more when he decided he wanted to be the greatest and started to take it serious again. Not to mention he has no problem fighting 205'ers and talking trash to sell a fight.

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Old 08-16-2008, 02:04 PM   #14 (permalink)
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no one truly knows...he's an amazing fighter, but that doesn't warrant him to walk into title shots whenever he pleases w/o earning them first....
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Old 08-16-2008, 02:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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He is definitely one of the most gifted fighters out there. Great striking with heavy hands and amazing judo and TDD. His BJJ is truly "prodigy" like. And of his four losses, 3 were not at his "natural" weight class, one of them being at LHW against Machida!

I don't think BJ is regarded so highly so much for how well he's done in his fights per se, I think it is more with how much talent this guy has and what he could become if he worked his cardio more. I always want to see BJ fight because he can do so many things that no one in the MMA world can do and it is truly impressive.

But yes, it sucks that he has no class and that he can walk around getting title shots left and right.
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Old 08-16-2008, 02:38 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Let's see, on top of being the quickest American to get a black belt in Jui-Jitsu, tool Judo blackbelts as a white belt, actively compete and win at the black belt level in jui jitsu, BJ has a lot of other qualities to being an MMA fighter. On top of his excellent grappling creds, he has a rock solid chin, dangerous strikes, crazy power for a small dude and incredible TDD. On top of that, people really started to love the guy when he stopped giving a shit about the sport and took a bad ass approach. And even more when he decided he wanted to be the greatest and started to take it serious again. Not to mention he has no problem fighting 205'ers and talking trash to sell a fight.

That video floating around of BJ as a "white belt" tooling a judo black belt is a little off.. While he was a white belt in judo, he was at the time a brown belt in BJJ and he essentially turned that match into a BJJ match, not a judo match. So effectively, he tooled a JUDO black belt in a BJJ match as a BJJ brown belt.

Everything else I agree with though..
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Not to mention he has no problem fighting 205'ers and talking trash to sell a fight.

lol there is a difference in having no problem with fighting 205, and actually fight 205ers, he would get murdered in that division PLEASE stop the nut hugging
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Old 08-16-2008, 03:27 PM   #18 (permalink)
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lol there is a difference in having no problem with fighting 205, and actually fight 205ers, he would get murdered in that division PLEASE stop the nut hugging
BJ Penn fought top 5 ranked Lyoto Machida and took him to a decision.

And I am aware of the whole Judo thing as well. But it is still an amazing accomplishment.
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BJ Penn fought top 5 ranked Lyoto Machida and took him to a decision.

And I am aware of the whole Judo thing as well. But it is still an amazing accomplishment.
Yes, it's THAT HARD to take Machida to a decision....

Nah, BJ is a prodigy, he can do anything, he'd beat Fedor Ass if he wanted. But he prefers to fight GSP for the WW title. Curious, BJ Penn has fought 3 times at WW, is 1-2. Two of them were for the WW title, the other for the number 1 contender. And now he could make his 4th match at WW a title match again.

The guy fought for the UFC lightweigth title in only his 4th fight in MMA! And he lost a close decision. He's basically unbeatable at LW, but I want him to defend his title a few times. The UFC should bring some LWs from Dream.
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And he felt he needed to retreat to 155 to be champion rather than toughing it out in the division he clearly wants to be in.
That is a laughable statement... BJ has said many times he wants to be in like three divisions and dominate them all.
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