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Old 08-16-2008, 04:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes, it's THAT HARD to take Machida to a decision....
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:38 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Like most before me, I think BJ is so naturally gifted and talented that a lot of people see his potential.

For me it's about how he exploded onto the mma scene. His second mma fight was against Din Thomas, who was killing it in mma, even holding a win over the UFC champ Pulver. He destroyed Uno who is a good fighter, and almost finished Pulver in the title fight. After that he holds wins over Gomi, and Hughes when he was dominant.

BJ is a gamer; he doesn't give a **** and will fight up in weight. He is a true fighter. While you see a lot of fighters cutting massive amounts of weight to gain superior advantages against smaller opponents, BJ fought up against Rodrigo and Renzo Gracie at 185, and he fought Machida in a fight with no weightclass (Machida was around 225 while BJ weighed just less than 190). BJ just gets mad respect from me and he has proven that he is one of the best p4p fighters in mma.

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That is a laughable statement... BJ has said many times he wants to be in like three divisions and dominate them all.
Maybe he should defend the belt he actually has a few times before asking for another one. As it's been said many times, there are a lot of people that should get a shot before BJ. Hell, BJ got beat by Hughes when he last had a chance. So why does he deserve to jump right into contention?
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Like most before me, I think BJ is so naturally gifted and talented that a lot of people see his potential.

For me it's about how he exploded onto the mma scene. His second mma fight was against Din Thomas, who was killing it in mma, even holding a win over the UFC champ Pulver. He destroyed Uno who is a good fighter, and almost finished Pulver in the title fight. After that he holds wins over Gomi, and Hughes when he was dominant.

BJ is a gamer; he doesn't give a **** and will fight up in wieght. He is a true fighter. While you see a lot of fighters cutting massive amounts of weight to gain superior advantages against smaller opponents, BJ fought up against Rodrigo and Renzo Gracie at 185, and he fought Machida in a fight with no weightclass (Machida was around 225 while BJ weighed just less than 190). BJ just gets mad respect from me and he has proven that he is one of the best p4p fighters in mma.
This is the most well spoken response to my question, and the only one that really made me say hmmm...
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Maybe he should defend the belt he actually has a few times before asking for another one. As it's been said many times, there are a lot of people that should get a shot before BJ. Hell, BJ got beat by Hughes when he last had a chance. So why does he deserve to jump right into contention?
Who cares who is deserving of the title shot. This is a huge fight; as mma fans we should be happy that this is going down. Anyways as I have argued before, there is no clear cut contenders, in my opinion, in either weightclass. Florian needs to fight the winner of Sherk/Griffin, and Alves needs to beat Diego and another fight to show he can make wieght, and if Diego won he would still need another fight.
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Having spoken my peace against BJ, I will also say, all though I think it's crap he's getting a fight with GSP. I know GSP is going to crush him.

I'm in fact so sure of this I'll make a sig promise, not even a bet.
If BJ wins, I will let the biggest BJ fan on here, whoever that is, I'll let you guys tell me that, change my signature to whatever pro BJ sig you want. And I'll leave it there for a year. As long as it's at least somewhat clean.
And I won't even ask for wager against it, I'm so sure of this fight.
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Maybe he should defend the belt he actually has a few times before asking for another one. As it's been said many times, there are a lot of people that should get a shot before BJ. Hell, BJ got beat by Hughes when he last had a chance. So why does he deserve to jump right into contention?
Because it's going to be a gigantic fight for the sport and for the fans- two of the top p4p guys in the world in a rematch (almost any site out there has them in the top 4 somewhere with fedor and silva). I agree BJ should have to defend his title at least once but dana evidently considers this fight important enough to jump a few rungs up the ladder.

Perhaps he also feels no one in the LW division has the skills to beat BJ right now, or he just wants to give Florian more time to prepare for his shot.
But I think its probably just the former.
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Perfectly aware that I'm going to get a backlash for this, and most answers will be signed with a hint of Jackass, I'm genuinely curious.
Why is BJ thought to be such an imposing force. One of the biggest arguments people make when someone says Anderson Silva has four losses on his record so he can't be the best p4p, yet BJ has 4 losses. He's also inconsistent, yet another fighter that everyone says "We'll see which BJ shows up". And he felt he needed to retreat to 155 to be champion rather than toughing it out in the division he clearly wants to be in.
So... what's the big deal with this guy? Seriously?
Let it be known, I don't BJ but this is a combination of what I have read on boards and seen.

Really, its a combination of things. It all started when he entered the Octagon and Joe Rogan ran down the now infamous "facts" black belt in BJJ in like four years, mind you his family is loaded and he could devote all his time to training. He won the Munidals as mentioned before. He comes to the UFC and runs over the LW division winning against guys like Din Thomas and Carol Uno; KOing Uno in record time. Then he takes what at the time was considered a great LW champ to a decision in Pulver, his first loss I might point out. Its here that he is forced to leave the UFC b/c he wanted to fight Gomi, but it would have been in a rival company at the time and Zuffa, like today, didn't allow that. Therefore, he pooled his resources and family money to creat Rumble on the Rock, perhaps you've heard of it. Where he got his dream match with Gomi and won. He then came back to the UFC and fought for the WW title against then dominate champion Matt Hughes and won a fight was considered the underdog. However, was stripped as he wanted to fight in K-1

I get a little shaky here but I think after that win he decided like a crazy person he wanted to fight at WW, MW, and LHW. He did so against guys like Duane Ludwig(w), Rodrigo Gracie(w), Lyoto Machida(l), and Renzo Gracie(w).

Finally, we are in the modern BJ era, he lost a tough fight again GSP and only the title shot for two reasons. First, GSP was injured, he hurt his knee in training and also, because Hughes wanted to avenge his loss. Which he did but most BJ fans are quick to point out he broke a damn rib in the middle of the fight and continued on. Shortly there after he dropped to LW to settle a score with Pulver which he did in devasting fashion choking him out in the second round. And then went on to win the LW title, the title that alluded him a six years ago. And has since schooled Sherk and could very well being looking to avenge his loss to GSP and possibly Hughes as well. These are both money matches and hardcore fans want to see them.
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Let it be known, I don't BJ but this is a combination of what I have read on boards and seen.

Really, its a combination of things. It all started when he entered the Octagon and Joe Rogan ran down the now infamous "facts" black belt in BJJ in like four years, mind you his family is loaded and he could devote all his time to training. He won the Munidals as mentioned before. He comes to the UFC and runs over the LW division winning against guys like Din Thomas and Carol Uno; KOing Uno in record time. Then he takes what at the time was considered a great LW champ to a decision in Pulver, his first loss I might point out. Its here that he is forced to leave the UFC b/c he wanted to fight Gomi, but it would have been in a rival company at the time and Zuffa, like today, didn't allow that. Therefore, he pooled his resources and family money to creat Rumble on the Rock, perhaps you've heard of it. Where he got his dream match with Gomi and won. He then came back to the UFC and fought for the WW title against then dominate champion Matt Hughes and won a fight was considered the underdog. However, was stripped as he wanted to fight in K-1

I get a little shaky here but I think after that win he decided like a crazy person he wanted to fight at WW, MW, and LHW. He did so against guys like Duane Ludwig(w), Rodrigo Gracie(w), Lyoto Machida(l), and Renzo Gracie(w).

Finally, we are in the modern BJ era, he lost a tough fight again GSP and only the title shot for two reasons. First, GSP was injured, he hurt his knee in training and also, because Hughes wanted to avenge his loss. Which he did but most BJ fans are quick to point out he broke a damn rib in the middle of the fight and continued on. Shortly there after he dropped to LW to settle a score with Pulver which he did in devasting fashion choking him out in the second round. And then went on to win the LW title, the title that alluded him a six years ago. And has since schooled Sherk and could very well being looking to avenge his loss to GSP and possibly Hughes as well. These are both money matches and hardcore fans want to see them.
Good post. On another note though, when BJ had his fights with Ludwig, the Gracies', and Machida, they were all getting a lot of respect at that time. Ludwig I believe beat Pulver and had that controversial win against Genki Sudo in his last two fights, and was on a good win streak. He wasn't a joke fight at that time. Rodrigo and Machida were undefeated and Renzo was said to be a tough opponent as well (I really haven't seen a lot of his fights to confirm or deny that).
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Let it be known, I don't BJ but this is a combination of what I have read on boards and seen.

Really, its a combination of things. It all started when he entered the Octagon and Joe Rogan ran down the now infamous "facts" black belt in BJJ in like four years, mind you his family is loaded and he could devote all his time to training. He won the Munidals as mentioned before. He comes to the UFC and runs over the LW division winning against guys like Din Thomas and Carol Uno; KOing Uno in record time. Then he takes what at the time was considered a great LW champ to a decision in Pulver, his first loss I might point out. Its here that he is forced to leave the UFC b/c he wanted to fight Gomi, but it would have been in a rival company at the time and Zuffa, like today, didn't allow that. Therefore, he pooled his resources and family money to creat Rumble on the Rock, perhaps you've heard of it. Where he got his dream match with Gomi and won. He then came back to the UFC and fought for the WW title against then dominate champion Matt Hughes and won a fight was considered the underdog. However, was stripped as he wanted to fight in K-1

I get a little shaky here but I think after that win he decided like a crazy person he wanted to fight at WW, MW, and LHW. He did so against guys like Duane Ludwig(w), Rodrigo Gracie(w), Lyoto Machida(l), and Renzo Gracie(w).

Finally, we are in the modern BJ era, he lost a tough fight again GSP and only the title shot for two reasons. First, GSP was injured, he hurt his knee in training and also, because Hughes wanted to avenge his loss. Which he did but most BJ fans are quick to point out he broke a damn rib in the middle of the fight and continued on. Shortly there after he dropped to LW to settle a score with Pulver which he did in devasting fashion choking him out in the second round. And then went on to win the LW title, the title that alluded him a six years ago. And has since schooled Sherk and could very well being looking to avenge his loss to GSP and possibly Hughes as well. These are both money matches and hardcore fans want to see them.
Wow, well I asked a genuine question and got a genuine answer. This was a good read, seriously.

On that note, I still don't think he should be slated with GSP, Anderson, or Fedor... so while I do get it a little more now. I still think he's got no chance against GSP, but hey if I'm wrong, though I still won't like the guy, I'll take my hat off to him.
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