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Old 08-31-2008, 11:39 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Should fighter/bouts be ranked by the UFC

Reading on the forum here everyone screams how this or that fighter should be next for the title shot. While I agree to some extent the huge mistakes made by the UFC and their pure focus on money (I know they’re a business first). Should the fights be ranked? Once a fighter has a couple of wins should they be put into a ranking system? Say for example Liddell/Evans should us fans know where that places them at the time of the fight? Same goes for the Tavares/Pellegrino say this bout is in the light weight division for the 8th ranked spot? While I know the UFC won’t do this as they think it would screw up their money train and their ability to manipulate the fighter’s careers. I think the reverse that going into the fight we and the fighters know where they sit and build hype as to where who they could possibly fight next. They could look at their win/loss record as well as points earned in a decision fight for ranking. Just a thought what do you guys think?
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Old 08-31-2008, 12:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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if they do rank them... it kinda gives the UFC rights to pay someone less which is wrong imo. Since the UFC always boasts about its great shows, they should at least pay their fighters accordingly. For example, Chris Lytle was vastly underpaid in his fight with Koshceck.

Also this makes new fans biased towards the higher ranked fighters. It would be like solely judging NBA teams based on record which doesn't always work out. The LHW division is a perfect example of this!

Jardine beats Griffin
W.Silva beats Jardine
Jardine beat Lidell
Lidell beat W.Silva
W.Silva (has before) beat Rampage
Rampage beat Lidell

I don't think I need to go on to prove this is a giant mess!
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Old 08-31-2008, 12:23 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Their previous fights outside of the UFC would have no bearing and you could have avoided the previous mess you mentioned above. This could also have avoided the pay structure as well once ranked your guarenteed a certain level of pay. Please explain your theory on the NBA as I don't understand. You do well you move up as in any sport.
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Old 08-31-2008, 12:41 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Their previous fights outside of the UFC would have no bearing and you could have avoided the previous mess you mentioned above. This could also have avoided the pay structure as well once ranked your guarenteed a certain level of pay. Please explain your theory on the NBA as I don't understand. You do well you move up as in any sport.
Take last season of basketball as my example. The Boston Celtics won the most games last season. They played in a weaker conference where they could feed on weaker teams to achieve the best record. Does that make the the best team? Not necessarily, but they did win the championship, so it's hard to argue against it. It could have been a completely different game if they had to play against the Western Conference teams all season. For example, the Hornets who were eliminated in the semi finals trounced the Celtics twice in their regular season meetings, but the Spurs (who beat the Hornets) got beaten by the Celtics pretty badly. This is a matchup difference.

What I'm saying based on this is what Joe Rogan was talking about once. It's based on a style versus style. Even when you discount all fights out of the UFC, Jardine beat Griffin who is now the champion. He also beat Lidell who beat Silva. How would you go about ranking that even if you put Griffin at the very top?
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Old 08-31-2008, 01:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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I'm not saying its perfect but after say 2 - 4 wins they start getting ranked logistics would still have to be worked out but the manipulation could stop. The NBA senario doesn't play into this as the isn't a seperation of conferences. The seperation lies in weight classes. What I'm trying to say is there is a better method heck you could have a 12th ranked guy call out a 8th ranked and that place is up for grabs. This would prevent like BJ (whom I like) getting a title bout with GSP I believe he should earn it as well there are others that are in line before him. Its money money money. Just trying to debate a better systems for fighters and fans. Like Fitch (don't care for) but he's a good fighter and deserved a shot sooner I think.
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Their previous fights outside of the UFC would have no bearing and you could have avoided the previous mess you mentioned above.
Even if you take fights outside the UFC out of the equation, it doesn't work.

Griffin beat Rampage
Rampage beat Liddell
Liddell beat Silva
Silva beat Jardine
Jardine beat Griffin

And that's all been in the past year and a half. How do you rank those guys? Shooto is the only organization that actually has fighter rankings, and those can be disputed a lot of the time. Rankings are too subjective, and that's why they don't work in an official manner. They're a great tool for discussion though.

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This could also have avoided the pay structure as well once ranked your guarenteed a certain level of pay.
This idea would just result in a whole lot of guys being released from their UFC contracts earlier than they should be. For instance, I assume 'getting a title shot' would guarantee a fighter a certain level of pay in your system. So if you have a guy who loses his title shot and a fight or two after it (recent examples: Matt Hughes, Hermes Franca, Gonzaga) or aren't big draws to begin with (i.e. Franca, Gonzaga, Marquardt) they would be guaranteed a level of pay above their market worth, and the UFC would get rid of them even though they are all excellent fighters and deserve to be in the UFC.
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Old 08-31-2008, 02:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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This idea would just result in a whole lot of guys being released from their UFC contracts earlier than they should be. For instance, I assume 'getting a title shot' would guarantee a fighter a certain level of pay in your system. So if you have a guy who loses his title shot and a fight or two after it (recent examples: Matt Hughes, Hermes Franca, Gonzaga) or aren't big draws to begin with (i.e. Franca, Gonzaga, Marquardt) they would be guaranteed a level of pay above their market worth, and the UFC would get rid of them even though they are all excellent fighters and deserve to be in the UFC.[/quote]

When they lose their ranking goes down so does their pay structure. Didn't say it was perfect but neither is the current system. All I'm trying to say is there has to be a better method of quantifying a fighter for a title bout. Really should a guy who has won 8 fights wait that long to get a title bout? How does NCAA rank wrestlers? I don't know but the current way only benifits the UFC who holds all the cards for now but won't forever. Maybe to start a new ranking you have a GP and random names are drawn or challenges called out but you can't be matched up with a lower guy or an easy bout to move you on. I don't have all the answers but between everyone a systems that benifits all could come into effect. Not gonna happen but we can always speculate.
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