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Old 09-07-2008, 05:42 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No aggression? Wow...so knocking the crap out of someone doesn't count anymore? It's about placing your strikes and not throwing blindly...it's evolution. Good strikers are smarter these days, and tonight was proof positive. Liddell was knocked out cold and Hendo controled the entire fight. Recently, what about Fitch when he fought GSP? He survived by being smart and being reserved. He didn't win the fight, but hell he won a lot of respect. Had he been wreckless and K.O.d, he would've been another GSP victim. Get used to it. It's not new...that's how the sport has been evolving for years now.
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Old 09-07-2008, 06:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Henderson and Evans won both their fights despite a complete lack of aggression. If this is the "game plan" of the future then count me out.

Henderson was completely reactive against Pulhares and resisted the fight going to ground at all costs. He was eventually awarded a decision.
Similarly, Evans retreated non stop and refused to engage Liddell in any meaningful way until he scored a "grand slam" KO.

These tactics disgust me and foretell a very dismal MMA future.
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If it disgusts you then maybe you should reconsider watching MMA! Instead, you should go on Youtube and type in the word KIMBO. They should have what your looking for!

Seriously, why the hell would Rashad engage Chuck like he was going up against a bum. You remember what happened to Babalu when he did that to Chuck? I'm sure Rashad did!
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Old 09-07-2008, 06:49 AM   #13 (permalink)
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If it disgusts you then maybe you should reconsider watching MMA! Instead, you should go on Youtube and type in the word KIMBO. They should have what your looking for!

Seriously, why the hell would Rashad engage Chuck like he was going up against a bum. You remember what happened to Babalu when he did that to Chuck? I'm sure Rashad did!
Ok.. lets conceive a parallel universe where Liddell jabs out a decision. Are we still happy?
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Old 09-07-2008, 08:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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No aggression? Wow...so knocking the crap out of someone doesn't count anymore? It's about placing your strikes and not throwing blindly...it's evolution. Good strikers are smarter these days, and tonight was proof positive. Liddell was knocked out cold and Hendo controled the entire fight. Recently, what about Fitch when he fought GSP? He survived by being smart and being reserved. He didn't win the fight, but hell he won a lot of respect. Had he been wreckless and K.O.d, he would've been another GSP victim. Get used to it. It's not new...that's how the sport has been evolving for years now.
Evolution is right. I think you need aggression to strike like Anderson Silva but he barely changes his facial expression when he's beating someone to death.

Not leaving yourself open is just good fighting.
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I see where you're coming from, but at the same time you pointed out two fights, and they showed five last night... or at least I saw five.

I think there was a lot of aggression in Brown/Kim, definitely Nate/Martin, and even in Franklin/Hammil.

I wouldn't be so quick to condemn MMA for becoming boring stradegy when the majority of the fights last night were classic slugfest that had the fans going.
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Old 09-07-2008, 09:13 AM   #16 (permalink)
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I think when you face a tough opponent sometimes its best to fight the smart fight rather than your best fight. Like in the florian fight it didnt really go down like i thought i figured it would be more akin to brawl but kenny fought the smart fight counter striking and moving around a bit because he knew huerta would be agressive and come after him. With the talent the ufc has anyone can win on any given fight.
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I thought that the Henderson- Palharres fight was very exciting! What made it so interesting is that each of the fighters were so much more dangerous than the opponent in one area. As shown, Henderson could drop Toquinho at any time with a big bomb and Palhares could lock up Hendo's legs at any time. As such, it was necessary for both fighters to be extremely cautious; whoever bullrushed put himself at more risk.

I was on the edge of my seat.

Rashad Evans vs Chuck...

Well as others have said, Chuck always fights that way. As for Rashad, you may have heard in his corner that the idea was to frustrate Chuck and probably draw him in (to negate his counter punching). When that finally happened, Rashad dropped him.

I didn't see anything wrong with those fights, although (save for the HL reel finish) the Chuck vs Rashad fight was a bit dull. However, as I've said before (dunno if it was on this forum or another), that's hardly the most interesting fight on the card.
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I thought that the Henderson- Palharres fight was very exciting! What made it so interesting is that each of the fighters were so much more dangerous than the opponent in one area. As shown, Henderson could drop Toquinho at any time with a big bomb and Palhares could lock up Hendo's legs at any time. As such, it was necessary for both fighters to be extremely cautious; whoever bullrushed put himself at more risk.

I was on the edge of my seat.

Rashad Evans vs Chuck...

Well as others have said, Chuck always fights that way. As for Rashad, you may have heard in his corner that the idea was to frustrate Chuck and probably draw him in (to negate his counter punching). When that finally happened, Rashad dropped him.

I didn't see anything wrong with those fights, although (save for the HL reel finish) the Chuck vs Rashad fight was a bit dull. However, as I've said before (dunno if it was on this forum or another), that's hardly the most interesting fight on the card.
I agree with you on all points and i loved the hendo fight was probably my fotn from the fights they showed.
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This thread is stupid, it pisses me off how when something happens Fans automatically think that's always going to happen. Look at the best, Fedor, Anderson, GSP, BJ - are all pretty aggressive.
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You guys don't mind when a big fighter like Chuck Liddell sits back all fight but when Dan Henderson which most of you don't know but he is a king of Pride and when Rashad Evans do it you freak out. If you truely appreciate the sport then you can watch a passive fighter and watch the ground game and still get enjoyment. What Henderson and Evans did was called passive fighting. If your the aggressor your chance of getting knocked out increases tremedously since your swinging more wild leaving yourself open [Liddell].

Both Henderson and Evans wern't full defencive and running away, they picked their openings and won the fight which is what they are trying to do. Remember, they don't just do this for the crowed to roar, they are fighting for a heavy paycheck and the winner of the fight gets the bigger bulk of the money. If you were fighting for either $350,000 to win or $200,000 if you lose.. would you really care if a few fans boo'd or not?
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