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Old 09-15-2008, 02:52 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Old 09-15-2008, 02:56 PM   #42 (permalink)
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I just want to say, a lot of people on this forum need to chill out. I see people claiming Rashad is a "Piece of Trash" now after reading this, way too go overboard people. Just because you may not see the racism he describes doesnt mean it doesnt exist. The Ice Man has many many white trash fans now. Many are ignorant and racist, dont know anything about MMA.

I'm going to use my experience watching the fight as an example. My friends and myself watched the fight at a bar in the town over, this was the town we went to highschool in many years ago so we recognized alot of the people there. During the fight there were endless boos for Rashad, some jackasses actually had 90% of the bar chanting "CHUCK CHUCK CHUCK". Unless these people have dramatically changed, they are racist just as they were years back when I went to school with and knew them.

I have heard numerous racist comments about Rashad Evans before he even fought Chuck, coming from his fight with Tito. The Tito fight had a lot of people from around here out saying some stupid racists comments. They werent "I HATE RASHAD CAUSE HE IS BLACK" They were more subtle like "Rashad sucks, Tito totally won that fight, that 'old racist word'.."

Oh did I mention we are from Rashads announced home town, where I thought the majority would be supporting him?

My point being. Sorry if It sounds like I am trying to Justify Rashads Actions, but just because some people are lucky enough to not witness the more ignorant people of this world does not mean they dont exist and arent criticizing.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:00 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I just want to say, a lot of people on this forum need to chill out. I see people claiming Rashad is a "Piece of Trash" now after reading this, way too go overboard people. Just because you may not see the racism he describes doesnt mean it doesnt exist. The Ice Man has many many white trash fans now. Many are ignorant and racist, dont know anything about MMA.

I'm going to use my experience watching the fight as an example. My friends and myself watched the fight at a bar in the town over, this was the town we went to highschool in many years ago so we recognized alot of the people there. During the fight there were endless boos for Rashad, some jackasses actually had 90% of the bar chanting "CHUCK CHUCK CHUCK". Unless these people have dramatically changed, they are racist just as they were years back when I went to school with and knew them.

I have heard numerous racist comments about Rashad Evans before he even fought Chuck, coming from his fight with Tito. The Tito fight had a lot of people from around here out saying some stupid racists comments. They werent "I HATE RASHAD CAUSE HE IS BLACK" They were more subtle like "Rashad sucks, Tito totally won that fight, that 'old racist word'.."

Oh did I mention we are from Rashads announced home town, where I thought the majority would be supporting him?

My point being. Sorry if It sounds like I am trying to Justify Rashads Actions, but just because some people are lucky enough to not witness the more ignorant people of this world does not mean they dont exist and arent criticizing.
Just so you know, everyone on this board isn't as sheltered as you might think.

I HAVE seen racism. And it is not booing the opponent of Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz. Those guys are extremely popular fighters and have huge fan bases. Hence, a lot of people will root for them against a newcomer / relative unknown.

Please don't add fuel to this fire by trying to justify that a guy that makes six figures in a single night is a victim of racism.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:04 PM   #44 (permalink)
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I just want to say, a lot of people on this forum need to chill out. I see people claiming Rashad is a "Piece of Trash" now after reading this, way too go overboard people. Just because you may not see the racism he describes doesnt mean it doesnt exist. The Ice Man has many many white trash fans now. Many are ignorant and racist, dont know anything about MMA.

I'm going to use my experience watching the fight as an example. My friends and myself watched the fight at a bar in the town over, this was the town we went to highschool in many years ago so we recognized alot of the people there. During the fight there were endless boos for Rashad, some jackasses actually had 90% of the bar chanting "CHUCK CHUCK CHUCK". Unless these people have dramatically changed, they are racist just as they were years back when I went to school with and knew them.

I have heard numerous racist comments about Rashad Evans before he even fought Chuck, coming from his fight with Tito. The Tito fight had a lot of people from around here out saying some stupid racists comments. They werent "I HATE RASHAD CAUSE HE IS BLACK" They were more subtle like "Rashad sucks, Tito totally won that fight, that 'old racist word'.."

Oh did I mention we are from Rashads announced home town, where I thought the majority would be supporting him?

My point being. Sorry if It sounds like I am trying to Justify Rashads Actions, but just because some people are lucky enough to not witness the more ignorant people of this world does not mean they dont exist and arent criticizing.
No one is denying that racism exists. The fact here is that Rashad introduced it to this interview when he said the following:

"If you think about it, it’s like this, I’m not a white dude. My fighting style, that’s not how I move and they’re mad at me because I’m black. I got soul or rhythm or whatever you want to call it, but that’s just how I get down."
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I dont understand why Rashad didnt just rush in and demolish Liddell earlier in the fight if his punches were nothing??!!
Ok Rashad you have the best chin in the LHW division and perhaps you should let fighters like Thiago Silva hit it clean so you can prove it....dick.
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Just so you know, everyone on this board isn't as sheltered as you might think.

I HAVE seen racism. And it is not booing the opponent of Chuck Liddell or Tito Ortiz. Those guys are extremely popular fighters and have huge fan bases. Hence, a lot of people will root for them against a newcomer / relative unknown.

Please don't add fuel to this fire by trying to justify that a guy that makes six figures in a single night is a victim of racism.
I don't see what how much $$ he makes has to do with whether he is a victim of racism. Also, its worth pointing out that Rashad didn't use the word racism. You can have cultural misunderstandings without having to situate one person as a victim and the other a perpetrator of racism.
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I think we are all kidding ourselves if we think race has zero to do with a fighter's popularity and how the crowd reacts. No, race is not the only issue here, but in the fight game, crowds usually cheer for the guy they can relate to, in most cases that means the guy they look like.

It applies to every race too. For instance, when Felix Trinidad has a boxing match, you'd think the fight was being held in Puerto Rico.
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I don't see what how much $$ he makes has to do with whether he is a victim of racism. Also, its worth pointing out that Rashad didn't use the word racism. You can have cultural misunderstandings without having to situate one person as a victim and the other a perpetrator of racism.
Yep. Regardless of what motivates it, posters here are being much harsher toward Evans for these comments than any stretch of the imagination would call for.

His comments about punching power more likely come from the psychological aspect of dealing with the mystique behind Liddell's power than it does trying to put him down.

His comments about cultural differences being behind how some people perceive him may or may not be accurate, but they clearly aren't racist or accusing people of racism.

This is why this thread is hilarious.
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So, the most genuine and straightforward character from the movie is the one you hate? Must be because he's black.
No, Cubas character was great and funny, but he was a character, nothing more. If a professional athlete acted like that in a particular sport, they too would receive redicule. His flashy little shoulder shake and lazy legs doesn't impress me, it makes me want him to get KTFO. Has nothing to do with race, any athlete that acts like that is undeserving of respect.
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Old 09-15-2008, 03:20 PM   #50 (permalink)
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Chuck has been around a lot longer than Rashad and has more fans. Many expected Rashad to get knocked out..it's what the Ice Man does!

Then, when Chuck goes stiff everyone is just so suprised and a few probably do start to hate on Rashad, their idol just got a taste of his own medicine!

This is where the show boating comments probably stem from too. Chucks fans probably felt there should of been some more respect after knocking out a legend, but I bet there would of been plenty of cheers if the tables were turned and Chuck was doing his usual running around the ring victory dance.

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