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Old 09-18-2008, 11:14 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Mike Winkeljohn: "If I were Forrest, I'd be a little scared right now"

Pretty good read. Mike Winkeljohn, one of Rashad's coaches, talks about the big win over Chuck, the gameplan for the fight, the title clash with Forrest Griffin and some other stuff.

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On Rashad's gameplan for the fight...

"I trained Keith Jardine as well so as far as Chuckís weaknesses, Rashad had different assets than Keith had, but I always thought Rashad had a better style to beat Chuck. Chuck is the best at keeping his eyes open against wrestlers shooting and being able to sprawl and not be taken down and then working from some angles off of that sprawl. Wrestlers are sometimes a little open and a little wild and Chuck is usually able to zero in and land some punches. He could do that with his hands where they are and his angles where they were. When I looked at him with Keith, it was a matter of basic kickboxing and going to Chuckís left shoulder if we were going to win the fight and Keith did that real well. With Rashad, it was a matter of using Rashadís speed and quickness to where we would have Chuck thinking Rashad was going to take him down. I think Chuck spent a lot of time thinking Rashad was going to do like other wrestlers have done with him and try to take him down. Rashad never had to depend on that."

"Of course Chuck has his left hand low, which would be fine if you had the footwork like a Muhammad Ali where you can just box; then you can pull that off. But without the footwork and the ability to back out at an angle and roll your shoulder up, that arm being down low just wasnít going to cut it. Rashad was fast enough that I believe he could sit in front of Chuck and throw and be gone before Chuck could do anything about it. So given Chuckís speed, I think the uppercut followed by a hook was part of the plan, but the uppercut came slow and the overhand right was just there and plus Chuckís stance, the way he plots and his footwork, he just couldnít adapt to Rashadís footwork and some of the things that we do."

Oh yeah! I feared...because of the fact that we were going to stick and move, Muhammad Ali did it and people thought he was great, but because of the fact that we were going to move a lot and Chuck was the UFC guy, heís their boy and they wanted to put money behind him, I figured there was no way we could win a decision. Itís happen a lot of times to our other fighters. If youíre not the one that the money is behind...well, itís just like boxing. Itís the same so I definitely wanted the knockout and I figured it would happen. If Rashad wasnít able to knock him out, we werenít going to win the fight.

On the fight with Forrest Griffin...

"One thing about Rashad is that heís got tree trunk legs. He looks small, but heís a running back. Weíre doing sprints up the Alps and working on explosive things and he gets so much power from his legs. On the ground, he has a lot of weight down there in his hips and Forrest cannot outwrestle Rashad. If I were Forrest, I would be a little scared right now. The thing with Forrest is if he's not the toughest, he's one of the toughest fighters out there. That man will walk through fire to get the job done. I think heís great. Itís weird because just like against Chuck, Rashad gets to face him after Keith Jardine has beat him so that gives us an edge in strategy. We kind of have an idea of what he does. If I had to one up him, Iím thinking, ďHow can Forrest slow down Rashad?Ē If he fights us with the same gameplan as he fought Quinton Jackson, I feel really good about it. Iím sure heís going to change up some things so I have to sit down with Greg Jackson and Rashad..."
A lot more in the full interview:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content3447.html
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Old 09-18-2008, 11:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I don't see any reason for Forrest to be scared of Rashad. Prepared, yes, but definitely not scared.

This last fight was one of the few fights were Rashad actually looked dangerous (The other being the Sean Salmon Kick) and I don't see any reason to suspect that Rashad is going to transform into a KO artist.

He's going to fight Forrest as he's fought almost everyone else. He's going to dance around, shot for multiple takedowns, and try and win a decision. That is Rashads style. I seriously hope he doesn't because I'm starting to like Rashad after the Chuck fight, but I'm not holding my breath.
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I figured there was no way we could win a decision. Itís happen a lot of times to our other fighters. If youíre not the one that the money is behind...well, itís just like boxing. Itís the same so I definitely wanted the knockout and I figured it would happen. If Rashad wasnít able to knock him out, we werenít going to win the fight.
Wow, talk about biting the hand that feeds you, everyone knows how much Dana loves trainers and fighters bad mouthing the UFC... better sleep with one eye open after that comment.

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Rashad gets to face him after Keith Jardine has beat him so that gives us an edge in strategy. We kind of have an idea of what he does.
Unlike when Keith fought Chuck, the Forrest that fought Jardine is not the same fighter that currently holds the belt, that footage is pretty much useless as far as I'm concerned.
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Wow, talk about biting the hand that feeds you, everyone knows how much Dana loves trainers and fighters bad mouthing the UFC... better sleep with one eye open after that comment.



Unlike when Keith fought Chuck, the Forrest that fought Jardine is not the same fighter that currently holds the belt, that footage is pretty much useless as far as I'm concerned.
actually forrest was the same fighter when he got KO'd by jardine despite the UFC hype machine covering it up...

his boxing looked so crisp, he was using kicks, being elusive, stepping away...yet he still got KO'd...
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I figured there was no way we could win a decision. Itís happen a lot of times to our other fighters. If youíre not the one that the money is behind...well, itís just like boxing. Itís the same so I definitely wanted the knockout and I figured it would happen. If Rashad wasnít able to knock him out, we werenít going to win the fight.
Yeah like that time Keith Jardine took Chuck to a decision, but the judges gave the victory to Chuck because he's a bigger star. Man I was soooo pissed...





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There is no logic to Forrest being scared of Evans.

Forrest just beat a guy who holds two convincing victories over Liddell.

Why now should Evans's Liddell victory rattle Forrest?
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I think Forrest wins 3-2 in rounds

Wouldnt get a decision against Chuck? hello but 'your boy' Jardine did it lol and some people were saying it was Chuck who potentially won so.....



If Rashad can land that same punch again then its good night, but I think it was kind of a one off, although I guess he will have a lot more confidence now. We keep wanting Rashad to get his ass whooped but he keeps griding out fights, I want Forrest to win by Anihalation lol
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It doesn't matter how fast Rashad is if Forrest uses his massive reach to keep him at a distance, then jump in and throw his own bombs.
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If Rashad can land that same punch again then its good night, but I think it was kind of a one off, although I guess he will have a lot more confidence now.
Honestly, when I saw it, I thought that punch was the setup for the left hook.

If the set up punch put Chuck to sleep for a few minutes, then I have no doubt in my mind that Rashad can knockout Forrest.

And I don't think his conditioning will be as big a factor as it was in the past. He trains like a mad man now. If he went and trained with Rich I'd be estatic.

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Honestly, when I saw it, I thought that punch was the setup for the left hook.

If the set up punch put Chuck to sleep for a few minutes, then I have no doubt in my mind that Rashad can knockout Forrest.

And I don't think his conditioning will be as big a factor as it was in the past. He trains like a mad man now. If he went and trained with Rich I'd be estatic.

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You think the overhand right haymaker that Rashad threw was just a setup punch?

You mean, he was merely throwing out a simple strike to open up the left hook?

Wow, I wish I could throw setup punches that make Ivan Drago's punches look like Mick's.

Look, Rashad threw everything he had into that punch. It was well set up with the left jab feint, and perfectly accurate. Lets not try and make it seem like Rashad is some KO artist. He is multiple KO's away from that.
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