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post #11 of 28 (permalink) Old 09-19-2008, 01:20 AM
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Fighters aren't employees though, they're independant contractors. They don't get employment benefits, taxs withheld, and pay thier own expenses (training, equipment etc).

Yeah they can turn down a fight if they want. Although they shouldn't complain then if the UFC hires someone else to do the work they refused to do.

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Man... I dunno about this... for example... If I was Keith Jardine... I just defeated Chuck... even tho its a decision... and then Chuck Beats Wanda... Now I have to fight Wanda..? wtf I would turn that down... because it doesn't make sense for me to fight the guy that just lost to the guy I defeated. I mean its good exposure, but I'm not going up but going down by fighting him.

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Ultimately, I think there is a difference between turning down a fight (short notice, recovering from an injury, rehab-Filho- or a family member ill or recently deceased) and ducking fights. If a fighter makes a living in the octagon but refuses fights without a legitimate reason then there should be repercussions and it should be harder for them to find fights. But I don't think that if a fighter approaches fights like a professional that they should be penalized. If Franklin turned down a fight scheduled three months after the first Silva fight I think someone would be hard pressed to call him out on that considering the damage he took and the subsequent surgery. And who did the UFC hand him as his next fight? Mac Donald- a submission guy with 21 wins and 2 KOs. Clearly the UFC was protecting their investment in Franklin and not setting him up with a solid striker as his next fight. It's all relative.
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Fighters have, and should have, the right to reject fights. There are a lot of factors that go into a fight, and if you don't think one is good for you and the bad outweighs the good, you should be able to reject it. When you do this though you know that you are risking future fights as well. If you aren't willing to take on all challengers then I wouldn't exactly call out the champ. But lets take the Irving vs Silva fight. Irving was about as dumb as possible when taking that fight. If he won then he would have beaten a man not ranked at 205 and everyone would credit the weight difference to his win. He lost, so he lost to an unranked, and even worse he lost bad. If anyone can give me any real reason why he was even potentially smart for taking that fight I will rep you everyday for a month. You would have to come up with something proving he was getting an extra $100K or something to even take the risk because in that fight the risk vs reward was so off it is rediculous.

I also completely agree with rejecting fights that you think wouldn't be exciting. If I was a HW I would reject any fight with Big Timmy, at 205 I would reject a fight with Machida, and there is usually 1 or 2 in each weight class who LnP excessively or don't engange enough to pay off even if I lose. As we all say an exciting loss is better than a boring win.
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I think another circumstance that is ok, is when the fighters are friends or something like that. Silva and Machida not fighting is fine... I just can't imagine how tough it was for franklin and hamill....

and sometimes its not that they dont want to fight just cause they are friends, but they know the family members and couldn't picture themselves grounding and pounding while hi buddy's wife o mother is in the front row
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It depends on the situation.

In Vera's case, absolutely. To think that he should drop weight for the first time and immediately be thrown into the mouth of the lion is just ludicrous.

However, KJ Noons refusing to fight Diaz because he doesn't think he is the top contender is total crap. His job is to fight, not to determine who is next in line.

Pretty much, the champion should never turn down a fight... period. If the managing organization puts the offer up, he should sign it.

Everyone else, if the fighter is in your weight class, you should want to fight them. If they are better than you, a win over them boosts your stock. If they are worse than you, beating them can't hurt your record.

Pretty much, if everyone picks and chooses who to fight, and turns down fights with guys that they think are worse than they are, we would never have any fights because someone is always the underdog.

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i think its BS. they get paid to fight in their contract, its part of the job. If they want to progress in their repective divisions, they should be prepared to fight anybody
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I think this should be taken on a case by case basis. Warmachine knocking a no name opponent, that was bollocks, excuse me you just gave up your name!

However if a guy says look my close relative passed on or im just coming off a bad injury I need more time then I have no problem with that.

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Originally Posted by tosgator View Post
Should fighters be able to turn down fights.

Brandon Vera not fighting Loyto Machida

I think it is complete BS, you should be willing to fight whomever/whenever as long as you are healthy
You seem like the type not to read into things and just assume. Did you not read the whole Brandon Vera interview? Jesus. He said he was given the Machida offer a few weeks prior to fighting. A few weeks is not enough to train for Machida. He even stated he would be open to fighting him in the future with a full training camp so it's not like he ducked him at all.
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