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Old 09-19-2008, 02:57 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i think they shouldnt be allowed unless for medical reasons or like when a fighter misses weight
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Old 09-19-2008, 04:03 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Ultimately, I think there is a difference between turning down a fight (short notice, recovering from an injury, rehab-Filho- or a family member ill or recently deceased) and ducking fights. If a fighter makes a living in the octagon but refuses fights without a legitimate reason then there should be repercussions and it should be harder for them to find fights. But I don't think that if a fighter approaches fights like a professional that they should be penalized. If Franklin turned down a fight scheduled three months after the first Silva fight I think someone would be hard pressed to call him out on that considering the damage he took and the subsequent surgery. And who did the UFC hand him as his next fight? Mac Donald- a submission guy with 21 wins and 2 KOs. Clearly the UFC was protecting their investment in Franklin and not setting him up with a solid striker as his next fight. It's all relative.
An insider for the UFC perhaps? You know the reason Franklin and MacDonald fought? I was under the impression that it was because Franklin lost and MacDonald was coming up making them meet in the middle somewhere Shows how much common sense makes I guess
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An insider for the UFC perhaps? You know the reason Franklin and MacDonald fought? I was under the impression that it was because Franklin lost and MacDonald was coming up making them meet in the middle somewhere Shows how much common sense makes I guess
Both of you are right, Macdonald was up and coming, was being tested against someone of high caliber, but also not as much of a threat to Franklin.
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Old 09-19-2008, 07:33 PM   #24 (permalink)
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I can understand why a fighter would turn down a fight i mean the pays not great and the retirement plan is awful they really have to play the game smart or they could be out of the UFC. That being said anyone who turns down a fight is a *****.
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I would allow turning down fights for 3 reasons:
1. Not enough time to prepare for the fight.
2. Other fighter trains in same gym and both wish to turn it down, and it isn't a title fight.
3. Opponent clearly outmatches you. Herring turning down Lesnar fight is one example (If he had done it that is). Any stand up fighter with bad ground game & sub defense turning down Fedor/Nog fight is another.

Other than that, punish the wussies. I got no idea if Rashad and Machida have turned down fights so far, but both have fought mostly cans until recently which makes their undefeated status mean alot less. Sure its also UFC's fault for not being good at marketing Machida etc. But if people turn down "risky" fights their path to title shot should be longer.
With that being said until Machida fights a top 5 guy I don't see a reason to give him a shot no matter how many UDs he grinds from lower tier fighters.
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:56 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Well, we see the repurcussions when a belt holder refuses a fight. Bye Bye KJ Noons. We probably won't miss you as you fade into obscurity.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/eli...ps-noons-14471
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Old 09-20-2008, 06:59 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Other than that, punish the wussies. I got no idea if Rashad and Machida have turned down fights so far, but both have fought mostly cans until recently which makes their undefeated status mean alot less. Sure its also UFC's fault for not being good at marketing Machida etc. But if people turn down "risky" fights their path to title shot should be longer.
With that being said until Machida fights a top 5 guy I don't see a reason to give him a shot no matter how many UDs he grinds from lower tier fighters.
Lol.
Top quality fighters turn down fights with Machida. Not the other way around.
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Old 09-20-2008, 07:46 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Fighters should defintetly have the power and the allowance to say if they want/dont want to fight a certain fighter, but not to the point where there ducking competition and being idiots about it.

There the ones fighting and I think they should at least be able to do that
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