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post #11 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-20-2008, 10:01 AM
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Alexander is correctly noted for being weak on the ground but he also has significant cardio problems. Part of his problem against Schafer was that he was gassed after only two minutes (as well as being a fish out of water on the ground).

He's overmuscled. You can't have that much muscle and expect to fight for more than 2-3 minutes at any kind of pace. Your lungs just aren't big enough to supply that much muscle with oxygen. Look at all the top fighters and while almost all of them are in good shape, none of them have that insanely "overdeveloped" weightlifter build that Alexander has.
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mma fans are very 'what have you done for me lately'. Houston is the reason why - him and all the other fighters who have gone from awesome to crap in the space of a few fights. An mma one hit wonder
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He's overmuscled. You can't have that much muscle and expect to fight for more than 2-3 minutes at any kind of pace. Your lungs just aren't big enough to supply that much muscle with oxygen. Look at all the top fighters and while almost all of them are in good shape, none of them have that insanely "overdeveloped" weightlifter build that Alexander has.
Cosign, plus him be old already doesn't help. He should trim some of that muscle and work on his ground game. Time is running out fast.
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Alexander is correctly noted for being weak on the ground but he also has significant cardio problems. Part of his problem against Schafer was that he was gassed after only two minutes (as well as being a fish out of water on the ground).

He's overmuscled. You can't have that much muscle and expect to fight for more than 2-3 minutes at any kind of pace. Your lungs just aren't big enough to supply that much muscle with oxygen. Look at all the top fighters and while almost all of them are in good shape, none of them have that insanely "overdeveloped" weightlifter build that Alexander has.
sherk, alves, and lesnar come to mind as guys w/ alot of muscle

they all have shown great cardio so far....it's all about balancing your training...you can have big muscles and still have great cardio
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sherk, alves, and lesnar come to mind as guys w/ alot of muscle

they all have shown great cardio so far....it's all about balancing your training...you can have big muscles and still have great cardio
The guys you described except for Alves had formal training in wrestling, so conditioning is part of their training program, BJJ is also cardio intensive so Thiago at least learned how to condition himself. I don't know if Houston even made it to a wrestling class.



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Guys, I'm not fishing for neg reps, just telling it as it is.

Why the fudge do we even discuss Houston Alexander as though he were a sure thing? What really has this guy ever done?

He's a loser.

I'd be honest, I hate Alexander. I think, like Liddell and Wanderlei Silva, Houston is overrated in the current context of MMA skills.

Please, no neg reps, just an honest discussion.
If you want to avoid neg reps you might want to avoid words like "hate"...

Anyway, I'll agree he WAS overrated, I think he has been exposed with three straight losses. He just exploded onto the scene with two badass early KO's and he had the muscles, the look, the hip hop but still humble midwesterner style. Everyone leaped onto the hype train.

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I don't know if anyone else noticed, but both of the knees he threw in the first flurry were verging on illegal. And one he gave to Jardine was pretty close. Dude needs to calm down.

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I don't know if anyone else noticed, but both of the knees he threw in the first flurry were verging on illegal. And one he gave to Jardine was pretty close. Dude needs to calm down.
They were legal, no reason for him to calm down there. Guy wants to end a fight in the first 2 minutes or it seems to be game over for him. The 2 knees he threw were legit and the one against Jardine was clean. Not sure why he should calm down if they are within the rules.

Can you explain how they were "verging on illegal"?
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They were legal, no reason for him to calm down there. Guy wants to end a fight in the first 2 minutes or it seems to be game over for him. The 2 knees he threw were legit and the one against Jardine was clean. Not sure why he should calm down if they are within the rules.

Can you explain how they were "verging on illegal"?

Both Jarbine and Schaffer had a knee on the floor (making them grounded) when Alexander landed those knees. So they were both illegal.

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Guys, I'm not fishing for neg reps, just telling it as it is.

Why the fudge do we even discuss Houston Alexander as though he were a sure thing? What really has this guy ever done?

He's a loser.

I'd be honest, I hate Alexander. I think, like Liddell and Wanderlei Silva, Houston is overrated in the current context of MMA skills.

Please, no neg reps, just an honest discussion.
I've sorta said this already. It's not exactly new.

Of course Houston doesn't have the same level of skills that the other guys have in this sport. I mean, have you seen the videos of him training?

He doesn't work on his wrestling. He doesn't work on his thai skills. He doesn't work on his jiu-jitsu.

He's the James Thompson of the UFC lightheavyweight division. He's a gong-and-dash fighter.

Is he exciting? Yes. But exciting and good are two different things.



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