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post #1 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-19-2008, 10:16 PM Thread Starter
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Houston Alexander

Guys, I'm not fishing for neg reps, just telling it as it is.

Why the fudge do we even discuss Houston Alexander as though he were a sure thing? What really has this guy ever done?

He's a loser.

I'd be honest, I hate Alexander. I think, like Liddell and Wanderlei Silva, Houston is overrated in the current context of MMA skills.

Please, no neg reps, just an honest discussion.

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post #2 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-19-2008, 10:36 PM
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I'll try and give an honest discussion but how on earth can you possibly lump Wand and Chuck with Alexander? No offense but that is absolutely absurd. You might make the argument that Wand and Chuck might not retain the glory that they had in their prime but to compare them to Houston is simply inaccurate at best.

Chuck was coming off a long layoff and a severe hamstring injury and yes did the same old same old against Rashad who had so much time to prepare for that style that he exploited it. Whether or not Chuck can adapt and change remains to be seen.

With Wand he tried to stand and play Chuck's game in his first entry back in the octagon and failed. He could not solve Chuck's reach advantage and didn't try much of what has worked before in the past for him. But to say he can't evolve is simply too soon to tell.

You are comparing a guy who never won anything to two long time champions- it doesn't add up. Houston has no ground game- Chuck is a former wrestler and purple belt of BJJ. Wand has great ground skills as well to compare them to Houston is silly at best.

Whether or not Chuck realizes he needs to mix his approach up or that Wand will continue to adapt his fighting style to the UFC to a one-dimensional fighter like Alexander is simply BS.

Quite honestly Houston is a comet he rose and he flamed out- Chuck and Wand have been around for a long time but they have a huge skill set that they can employ though Wand adapted nicely against Jardine and we'll have to see about Chuck.

Houston= a split soiled jock strap of Chuck and Wand.

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I don't think Liddell or Wanderlei are overrated by todays standards, they just aren't the bar none top of the chain, but to compare them to Houston is ridiculous.

And like someone else pointed out in another thread, Houston isn't overrated as no one likes him anymore basically.

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If you want to crap on Houston have fun I like him but his ground game isn't UFC ready and while he has power he doesn't have great stand up.

However to insult Wandy and Liddell and put them with Houston is just wrong.

Wandy has a very good defensive ground game. His striking is actually really good he lost 2 fights to 2 of the best counter fighters in MMA history and his other loss was to Henderson when he had been in the hospital days before.

Liddell has had a gameplan made to beat him that when followed it's hard for him to beat however He can work on adapting his game covering his face and getting better.
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Houston Alexander: NEEDS JIU JITSU TRAINING...
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post #6 of 21 (permalink) Old 09-20-2008, 12:51 AM
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As soon as you put Houston in the same league as Chuck and Wanderlei is when this "honest" thread ended. Chuck and Wanderlei are going to be in the MMA Hall of Fame.

As for Houston, I don't think we'll be seeing him on teh broadcasts any more. He may be one of the "may not be broadcast", but that's about it.
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I think sometimes the UFC puts brawlers into the mix to try and give the casual fans a stand up war thats something they can relate to. I also like watching an exciting stand up war. Every fight doesnt have to be champion vs champion as long as they are exciting, imo.

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you cant just say stupid things, then ask to not get neg repped.

Dont bring wandy and chuck into this, they were both at one point some of mma's most dominant champions.

Houston is a newcomer who exploded onto the scenes, and hasnt been able to keep up to the hype.

this is why we talk about him, he ko'ed a top lhw jardine in 45 seconds than did the same to great boxer sakara,
The guy is probly one of the strongest lhw's out there, he had shafer rocked in the first 30 seconds,
hes a good fighter probly better than alot, people just made the standard for him fighting a quik ko wich dosnt always happen and now people expect nothing less.

he isnt a bad fighter but he is a maturing fighter, if you wanna compare him to someone compare him to lesnar

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After his fight with Sakara, I said that he wouldn't go far - folks would learn how to withstand the initial onslaught, then he'd gas out or get owned on the ground. Other folks were saying that he would be the title holder.

It's always nice when time ends up proving you right.

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People love fighters like houston because they are exciting, we want fighters that finish fights on the ground or standing up, people love that stuff that is why people like him stay in the ufc because they either knock people out or get knocked out.

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