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Old 09-20-2008, 01:23 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I honestly believe that the judges UFC is using either do not understand or do not know what they are doing, I have seen quit a few fights now that have left me thinking

--- WHAT DID THE JUDGES SEE THAT I DIDNT---

Anyhow I believe they should hire retired MMA fighters/trainers folks who have been IN SIDE the octagon and who understand the sport--- evidently these guys don’t IMPO---

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Old 09-20-2008, 01:09 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The UFC doesn't have any say in the judges whatsoever. Judges are assigned by the state athletic commission. Part of the problem is that so many of the judges are from boxing. I like your suggestion though of using former MMA fighters as judges, I think we would see an immediate improvement.
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Old 09-20-2008, 01:15 PM   #3 (permalink)
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only one way to fix this.... don't let it go to the judges!!!!!
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Old 09-20-2008, 01:50 PM   #4 (permalink)
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What if it's not the judges' fault?

What if it's the weighting of the criteria combined with the 10 point must system rounding off any nuances in the fight?

Maybe the judges are getting the ruling right every time within the system, but the system is simply flawed.
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i just don't think their is enough education for judges and standardization of judging...that is apparent in the grove/tanner fight...where one judge had it 29-28 tanner, the other 2 had it 30-26 grove.....

that is beyond reasonable variation
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Old 09-20-2008, 02:32 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Unfortunately, I don't see anything that could be done to make judging any better. Just look at how inaccurate the judging is for boxing yet these same judges are used for MMA matches. So in addition to all the variables that must be considered for boxing, now they must take into account takedowns, sub attempts, kicks, etc. It just aint gonna happen.
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It's a combination of a flawed system and inexperienced judges who have little background in MMA.

Round by round scoring sucks. For example, let's say round 1 is practically a draw, but they give it to fighter A for no particular reason. In round 2, fighter B dominates the round but not to the point where it's a 10-8 round. At this point if you judge the fight as a whole, it's clear fighter B is winning the entire fight. But scoring wise, it's a draw. That's just wrong.
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It's a combination of a flawed system and inexperienced judges who have little background in MMA.

Round by round scoring sucks. For example, let's say round 1 is practically a draw, but they give it to fighter A for no particular reason. In round 2, fighter B dominates the round but not to the point where it's a 10-8 round. At this point if you judge the fight as a whole, it's clear fighter B is winning the entire fight. But scoring wise, it's a draw. That's just wrong.
IMO this is still a problem with the judges and not the scoring system. If the first round is even it should be scored even. This rarely happens though.
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Lets not forget the issue of perspective guys. The judges (from what I can tell) do not sit next to each other and see the fight from the exact same angle and point of view. Some judges may think they saw something when there was nothing (and vice versa), simply based on the position they are at octagon-side.

The system is flawed, but bringing in boxing judges such as the dreaded Cecil Peoples isn't really wise as far as I'm concerned. I think the TC's idea of having former MMA fighters/referees as judges would be very interesting, but the problem with that though lies in the possibility of their relationships with the fighters impacting the outcome of a fight. Ex: If Pat Miletich was a judge and one of the fighters trained at his gym once or twice.
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