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post #21 of 43 (permalink) Old 10-25-2006, 09:59 AM
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You knew I couldnít resist this one! Chris are serious man? Rashad would have NO chance against Tito. Tito is bigger, Stronger, he is a veteran, he is a better wrestler, the list goes on and on. Tito would destroy Rashad from the guard. Rashad is no where near Titoís level, the only reason Forest came any where close to getting a decision is because Tito was injured. Your credibility just went to negative 10 after this thread.
Im new to this forum so I dont know everyone yet..but by this post Im assuming that you are a huge Ortiz fan. Others in this thread have already pointed out that Rashads wrestling background is far superior to Tito's...so are you being biased or honest in saying something like Tito is a better wrestler? I would also question the statement that Tito is stronger. Remember, Rashad came down from heavyweight to light heavyweight. He may be the strongest and most agile LH in the UFC. Its really hard for me to say who would win this fight. On paper, this looks like a bad fight for Tito. Tito's bread and butter is his GnP. After getting Forrest to the ground early in the fight he was not able to do it again for the rest of the fight. Can he get Rashad to the ground and keep him there with Rashad's wrestling ability? It would be unfortunate, but we could very easily see a repeat of the Bonnar fight...where Rashad just gets Tito down and lays and prays for a victory. But Tito is a savy veteran. If he comes in with the right game plan he can win. When he winds up on his back...and he most likely will at some point in the fight...he will need to do his best to make the ref get them back up to thier feet. Rashad has very quick hands but I think Tito is the heavier handed of the two and can do more damage there. Rashad is not going to give him much in the way of a opening for a takedown...so Tito will need to be opportunistic in takedown attempts and be careful not to go for it when its not there.
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Im new to this forum so I dont know everyone yet..but by this post Im assuming that you are a huge Ortiz fan. Others in this thread have already pointed out that Rashads wrestling background is far superior to Tito's...so are you being biased or honest in saying something like Tito is a better wrestler? I would also question the statement that Tito is stronger. Remember, Rashad came down from heavyweight to light heavyweight. He may be the strongest and most agile LH in the UFC. Its really hard for me to say who would win this fight. On paper, this looks like a bad fight for Tito. Tito's bread and butter is his GnP. After getting Forrest to the ground early in the fight he was not able to do it again for the rest of the fight. Can he get Rashad to the ground and keep him there with Rashad's wrestling ability? It would be unfortunate, but we could very easily see a repeat of the Bonnar fight...where Rashad just gets Tito down and lays and prays for a victory. But Tito is a savy veteran. If he comes in with the right game plan he can win. When he winds up on his back...and he most likely will at some point in the fight...he will need to do his best to make the ref get them back up to thier feet. Rashad has very quick hands but I think Tito is the heavier handed of the two and can do more damage there. Rashad is not going to give him much in the way of a opening for a takedown...so Tito will need to be opportunistic in takedown attempts and be careful not to go for it when its not there.
Rashad is a much more natural LHW than HW, if you notice he was a little pudgy at HW and now he looks much more lean and athletic at LHW. Having said that Tito is known for being very strong so I don’t see how Rashad would not have a edge on strength. You really shouldn’t judge Titos take downs or GnP on the Forest fight he was injured and even watching the fight live I could tell he was not himself. And you sure as hell can not compare Rashad vs Tito to Rashad vs Bonner, Boner in no where near Tito’s level. Randy Couture is the only person to ever take Tito down and Rashad is not the wrestler Randy is so I don’t think Tito would ever end up on his back if they fought. Tito would get Rashad down, control him and pound him with elbows from the guard.

I left something out, yes Rashad wrestled in a higher division in college. Rashad is about 5’11 and Tito is about 6’2 when Rashad was a HW he was 225, I’m sure Tito walks around at atleast 225. Once again Tito is obviously bigger and probably much stronger so that is why I don’t think Rashad would be able to out wrestle Tito.

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Good post benefactor, everything you said was spot on.
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You knew I couldnít resist this one! Chris are serious man? Rashad would have NO chance against Tito. Tito is bigger, Stronger, he is a veteran, he is a better wrestler, the list goes on and on. Tito would destroy Rashad from the guard. Rashad is no where near Titoís level, the only reason Forest came any where close to getting a decision is because Tito was injured. Your credibility just went to negative 10 after this thread.
I do love our little heated debates, but don't let that cloud your judgment on my MMA knowledge.

Tito is a good wrestler, Rashad is a better one. Tito has better hands (that we've seen so far), but Rashad has not truely been tested yet. Let's not forget that he ROCKED Imes in their fight.

I'm not saying that it would be a one sided fight. Rashad has not tasted defeat yet, he always seems to find a way to win.

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I do love our little heated debates, but don't let that cloud your judgment on my MMA knowledge.

Tito is a good wrestler, Rashad is a better one. Tito has better hands (that we've seen so far), but Rashad has not truely been tested yet. Let's not forget that he ROCKED Imes in their fight.

I'm not saying that it would be a one sided fight. Rashad has not tasted defeat yet, he always seems to find a way to win.
Yeah, giving you and mrbalkie a hard time has kept me very entertained at work. But like I said, Tito is bigger and stronger so I just donít see him being out wrestled by Rashad. Tito could use that advantage in the clinch on the feet as well as a reach advantage and use his strengh and size to get Rashad to the ground for some of his great GnP. I do remember Rashad rocking Brad Imes but Tito has a good chin. From start to finish I think Tito would dominate Rashad. But like I said in mrbalkieís thread Rashad is not a horrible fighter, he is improving but he is not on Titoís level.
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Yeah, giving you and mrbalkie a hard time has kept me very entertained at work. But like I said, Tito is bigger and stronger so I just donít see him being out wrestled by Rashad. Tito could use that advantage in the clinch on the feet as well as a reach advantage and use his strengh and size to get Rashad to the ground for some of his great GnP. I do remember Rashad rocking Brad Imes but Tito has a good chin. From start to finish I think Tito would dominate Rashad. But like I said in mrbalkieís thread Rashad is not a horrible fighter, he is improving but he is not on Titoís level.
And the funny part is, I'm not a Rashad lover.

But we don't really know what caliber Rashad is yet. Every fight he's been in (with the exception of the last one) he's fought to get the decision and done so convincingly. Now he's starting to fight for the finish and if he can learn that, no telling what caliber of a fighter he really is. Once again, don't forget that this man has not tasted defeat yet.

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Nor am I a Rashad lover...personally, I hate his fights because of his inability to finish(with the exception of the last fight of course).

TLB...points taken, but I still think that the strength issue is closer than you indicate. Tito may walk around a little heavier but you also made the point that Tito is 3 inches taller, so it just about evens out. I stick to my guns and say that Tito should try to strike with him. It just seems too risky to try to get into a wrestling match with someone who is at the worst equal to you.
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Cool Come on guys lol

Tito (As much as I hate the little f*cker) is getting ready to challenge Chuck Lidell, and as far as I can see not everyone believes this is a walk in the part for Chuck either. So is anyone saying that Rashad should maybe challenge Chuck Lidell while he's at it? Maybe hes earned a shot at the title eh>?

lol Smarten up

As much as I really hate Tito, the guy is nuts and when he gets in the ring, theres not many people who have a chance at staying alive the first 2 rounds, let alone win the fight IMO of course
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And the funny part is, I'm not a Rashad lover.

But we don't really know what caliber Rashad is yet. Every fight he's been in (with the exception of the last one) he's fought to get the decision and done so convincingly. Now he's starting to fight for the finish and if he can learn that, no telling what caliber of a fighter he really is. Once again, don't forget that this man has not tasted defeat yet.

Yeah, your right but if he were to fight Tito he would get beat.
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Nor am I a Rashad lover...personally, I hate his fights because of his inability to finish(with the exception of the last fight of course).

TLB...points taken, but I still think that the strength issue is closer than you indicate. Tito may walk around a little heavier but you also made the point that Tito is 3 inches taller, so it just about evens out. I stick to my guns and say that Tito should try to strike with him. It just seems too risky to try to get into a wrestling match with someone who is at the worst equal to you.
I respect your opinions but I fully stand by every thing I have said.
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