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Old 10-24-2006, 07:27 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Chucks basis for his fighting is a wrestling back ground.

It's hard for wrestlers to over come the teaching of not getting on their backs. They are all very different. Wretlers are not grapplers and have a very hard time adapting to them. Grapplers have a hard time with the ground and pound that wrestlers bring to the ring and strikers have a hard time if they get taken down, but can win the stand up any day.

Is the general thought that it's not what you specialize in but what your secondary defense is?
I dont know. I've seen great wrestlers add on grappling. I do know what you mean about wrestlers having a hard time adapting to grappling though since the thing you are defending most in wrestling is keeping off your back. I guess depends on who you are and if you can adapt. The point i was making with Chuck.... his primary offense is actually all to do with countering. He is an excellent counter striker and he trains to defend takedowns and standing back up when taken down. This is exactly what we see Chuck do in just about all his fights. He makes it so that his opponent is forced to stand and then its lights out.
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I dont know. I've seen great wrestlers add on grappling. I do know what you mean about wrestlers having a hard time adapting to grappling though since the thing you are defending most in wrestling is keeping off your back. I guess depends on who you are and if you can adapt. The point i was making with Chuck.... his primary offense is actually all to do with countering. He is an excellent counter striker and he trains to defend takedowns and standing back up when taken down. This is exactly what we see Chuck do in just about all his fights. He makes it so that his opponent is forced to stand and then its lights out.
And I love him for that.
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Old 10-24-2006, 07:29 PM   #13 (permalink)
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its a tough agrument. i have always been prone to striking. i think bjj is probably the best all around. but it really depends on the person. dean lister is one of the best grapplers in the world, but his take downs and stand up arent that great. so he could get ko'd trying for that take down. but if he gets you on the ground you are in trouble. i think thats why its so important to cross train. you cant just be good at one thing anymore, otherwise the guy that has the rock to smash your scissors will always when. and the guy with the paper will always beat the rock. the the guy with the scissors beats the paper guy. it never ends. you have to be all three if you want to be a champion. and if you dont want to be champ then just keep doing one thing and continue to be a stepping stone for all the guys that cross train. at my school, we have bjj, muay thai, sambo, boxing,and sub wrestling. there is even a grip fighting class you can take. we also incorporate alot of judo in our jiu jitsu which i think is very key to getting the fight down. i plan to be a very well rounded fighter, and be dangerous anywhere the fight goes, but im always looking for the ko, its the rock in me i guess.
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Old 10-24-2006, 08:02 PM   #15 (permalink)
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add two parts judo, six parts bjj, and six parts muay thai. and you have the recipe for disaster
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ok i understand now of course wrestling will win
is that why Dan Severn (a pure wrestler) was defeated by Royce Gracie (a pure BJJfighter)? aswell as so many other wrestlers in the early UFC's. Wrestlings a great style but its flawed like any other style.
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severn and gracie arent on the same level

BJJ takes components of wrestleing ..i mean its balance and manipulation so i kinda see them as closely related

but if you have a good enough striker (say mike tyson at 23) then he hits you once and your done.


i want tyson in the ufc btw..him vs. tito = huge circus and funny as hell to watch

tyson throws..connects..it hurts...tito throws him down and gets his nipple bitten off...dq tito wins
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i can explain this very well:

Vitor Belfort; Striker (sure he has BJJ, but he's a striker!) sux
Mark Coleman; Wrestler (never done a single thing to cross-train) sux
Royce Gracie; Grappler (was god when nobody knew any better) sux, now
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Old 10-25-2006, 11:07 AM   #19 (permalink)
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When you have some one that specializes in one of the them (assuming that they are equally as good at it as the other is in theirs), who do you think has the upper hand?
It all depends on your opponent.
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Wrestlers Win

If they have the other skills to compliment there wrestling I think that wrestlers are the most dominant opponents. Look at Matt Hueghs Great Wrestler - No Stand up (He has never KO and oppent from the feet in 40 MMA matches) - Above average Grappler (Ask GSP). Tito - Dominated the for 3 years w/ wrestling until Chuck and Randy. And the King Fedor, Sambo champ the other guys dont have much of a chance(ask Cro Cop)

Being a world class wrestler that is confident on his back means that you can control and win rounds with out taking serious damage.

Strikers being the next in line, Strikers however must possess the ablity to stay of the ground. If you can stand back up after you get taken down you have a chance against a wrestler but the way that round scoring goes you have to be able to keep yourself on your feet.

Grappling is dead. All the fighters know are so good a submission defence that you just dont see pure grapplers anymore. BJ Penn being one of the best grapplers around uses his stand up for most of his offence. And only after the fighter is worked over they become subseptable to the submissions.

MMA is really about how good you are at all the desiplines. Knowbody is good unless they can mix it up with every form of fighting.
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