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Old 10-26-2006, 06:40 PM   #21 (permalink)
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i can explain this very well:

Vitor Belfort; Striker (sure he has BJJ, but he's a striker!) sux
Mark Coleman; Wrestler (never done a single thing to cross-train) sux
Royce Gracie; Grappler (was god when nobody knew any better) sux, now

Now you are comparing these skills against well round opponents.
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Old 10-26-2006, 06:47 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Niether, not without some knowledge of other disciplines. It's a rock paper scissors scenario.

The wrestler can take down the grappler but he will get caught in a submission if he does not know how to defend.

The striker has only a punchers chance and a slim one at that if he does not learn to defend the takedown against the grappler, wrestler.

If the grapplers do not know how to defend the kicks, knees and clinch. They are playing a dangerous game when they shoot.

If I had to pick one for my own personal defense it would be BJJ. first, it can teach you how to beat guys much bigger than you, wrestlers all seem to be mesomorphs and rely on strength. Pure wrestlers have never trained to 'finish' anyone. Pretty hard to make some drunk ass 'say uncle' cause you pinned him.

BJJ will train you to break arms and legs and choke people unconscious, great way to end a fight quickly without personal injury.

Striking is okay, KOing someone will get you respect fast, but 95% of us lack the skills to bring Knock out power to your opponent. You stand toe to toe with someone you are going to get hit. It hurts, I'm sick to death of getting punched in the face, it may be okay for you ugly guys but I have some boy Band good looks to protect

Also, for self defense, BJJ is the best skill set to have if someone pulls a weapon on you. Bar none. someone comes at you with a knife and you try and punch with him, you are going to get stuck. you can take him down and break that arm with BJJ.
very good points.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:15 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Now you are comparing these skills against well round opponents.
the point is, a specialized fighter has very little chance against someone who's well rounded! i don't think otherwise, comparrisons matter.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:17 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yes, but that is the first point accepted in this thread. We are hypothesising now about specialists.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:24 PM   #25 (permalink)
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Yes, but that is the first point accepted in this thread. We are hypothesising now about specialists.
Thank you for keeping my thread on topic.

Lets put it another way. Lets assume that it's well rounded fighters and they just MAJOR in one of them. Like a Chuck Liddell.

Then whick do you think can carry you.

I would put my money on the striker.
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Old 10-27-2006, 09:14 PM   #26 (permalink)
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The wrestler wins.
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Old 10-27-2006, 11:38 PM   #27 (permalink)
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If a boxer who knows nothing about wrestling and a wrestler who knows nothing about boxing get into a fight, I can almost guarantee that the wrestler will win because he will be on top flailing away and the boxers punches are going to be weak from the bottom. I just see grappling as a form of wrestling or vice versa.
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Old 10-28-2006, 12:27 AM   #28 (permalink)
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The question was if one dimensional fighters go at it which style wins. Royce Gracie convinced me in the early UFCs that BJJ is the superior style when it comes to matching up with one dimensional fighters of other styles. I think a wrestler would beat a boxer. So I rate it grappler, wrestler, then striker.
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all other things being equal i would have to say striker look at the current champs tim sylvia,chuck liddell,anderson silva, wanderlei silva, dan henderson, takanori gomi are all strikers where as the wrestlers are only sean sherk and matt hughes (fedor uses both alot so i wont put him in either) everything starts on the feet not on ground so how are you going to submit someone when your busy getting KTFO?
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The question was if one dimensional fighters go at it which style wins. Royce Gracie convinced me in the early UFCs that BJJ is the superior style when it comes to matching up with one dimensional fighters of other styles. I think a wrestler would beat a boxer. So I rate it grappler, wrestler, then striker.
i argee but thats given that they know almost nothing of submissions or ground work in general if you just enough to defend it goes back to striking
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