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Chrisl972 10-24-2006 06:44 PM

Wrestler, Grappler, Striker...
 
When you have some one that specializes in one of the them (assuming that they are equally as good at it as the other is in theirs), who do you think has the upper hand?

libertywrestler 10-24-2006 06:50 PM

what's the real difference between a grappler and a striker :dunno:

BigBanda 10-24-2006 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by libertywrestler
what's the real difference between a grappler and a striker :dunno:

Grappling refers to the gripping, handling and controlling of an opponent without the use of striking, typically through the application of various grappling holds and counters to various hold attempts. It is an essential part of both clinch fighting and ground fighting.

Striking is in many martial arts, such as karate, taekwondo, boxing and Muay Thai. Striking normally consists of using wrists, forearms, shoulders, back and hips to strike an opponent. Of course the striking we'd see more in MMA would be striking with palms, elbows, knees and feet.

So you see striking and grappling are much different. Striking a lot of times is complemented by grappling though. I'm sure you've seen fighters strike then use grappling when they have made their opponent vulnerable.

Squeetard 10-24-2006 07:06 PM

Niether, not without some knowledge of other disciplines. It's a rock paper scissors scenario.

The wrestler can take down the grappler but he will get caught in a submission if he does not know how to defend.

The striker has only a punchers chance and a slim one at that if he does not learn to defend the takedown against the grappler, wrestler.

If the grapplers do not know how to defend the kicks, knees and clinch. They are playing a dangerous game when they shoot.

If I had to pick one for my own personal defense it would be BJJ. first, it can teach you how to beat guys much bigger than you, wrestlers all seem to be mesomorphs and rely on strength. Pure wrestlers have never trained to 'finish' anyone. Pretty hard to make some drunk ass 'say uncle' cause you pinned him.

BJJ will train you to break arms and legs and choke people unconscious, great way to end a fight quickly without personal injury.

Striking is okay, KOing someone will get you respect fast, but 95% of us lack the skills to bring Knock out power to your opponent. You stand toe to toe with someone you are going to get hit. It hurts, I'm sick to death of getting punched in the face, it may be okay for you ugly guys but I have some boy Band good looks to protect :D

Also, for self defense, BJJ is the best skill set to have if someone pulls a weapon on you. Bar none. someone comes at you with a knife and you try and punch with him, you are going to get stuck. you can take him down and break that arm with BJJ.

MMA1990 10-24-2006 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by libertywrestler
what's the real difference between a grappler and a striker :dunno:

Striking concists of punches, kick, knees and elbows. Grappling is a ground game. ^^^^Cant grappling and wrestling be one in the same. If your talking about Striking, Submissions and wrestling then its really hard to say. I know everyone whos a wrestler will say wrestling, everyone whos a striker will say striking and anyone who dose a submission style will say grappling/submissions.They all have strong and weak points. Striking can be very useful if you have proper takedown defence. Many sub-fighting styles teach you how to defeat you opponent when on your back aswell as stop them in many other positions.wrestling has great slams and takedowns. I take BJJ and im not gonna be biased it really all depends on the practicer more than anything. I peronally like BJJ but I dont think its better than any other style.

libertywrestler 10-24-2006 07:09 PM

ok i understand now of course wrestling will win ;)

Squeetard 10-24-2006 07:11 PM

I think my reply sums it up best. Also, I've had the good fortune to have never been wrong before, ever.

BigBanda 10-24-2006 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MMA1990
Striking concists of punches, kick, knees and elbows. Grappling is a ground game. ^^Cant grappling and wrestling be one in the same. If your talking about Striking, Submissions and wrestling then its really hard to say. I know everyone whos a wrestler will say wrestling, everyone whos a striker will say striking and anyone who dose a submission style will say grappling/submissions. I take BJJ and im not gonna be biased it really all depends on the practicer more than anything.

Yeah I mean I see grappling as wrestling with additional skills added on like learning to make your opponent tap out. Thats why a lot of great wrestlers makea good transition to become good grapplers as well. Someone like Chuck liddell has skill there but he practices much more on defending from a wrestler/grappler which leaves opponents that specialize in wrestling/grappling dumbfounded when they cant take him down or cannot keep him grounded and they end up getting knocked out.

Chrisl972 10-24-2006 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeetard
You stand toe to toe with someone you are going to get hit. It hurts, I'm sick to death of getting punched in the face, it may be okay for you ugly guys but I have some boy Band good looks to protect :D

LOL I LOVE THIS QUOTE!!!

Chrisl972 10-24-2006 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BigBanda
Yeah I mean I see grappling as wrestling with additional skills added on like learning to make your opponent tap out. Thats why a lot of great wrestlers makea good transition to become good grapplers as well. Someone like Chuck liddell has skill there but he practices much more on defending from a wrestler/grappler which leaves opponents that specialize in wrestling/grappling dumbfounded when they cant take him down or cannot keep him grounded and they end up getting knocked out.

Chucks basis for his fighting is a wrestling back ground.

It's hard for wrestlers to over come the teaching of not getting on their backs. They are all very different. Wretlers are not grapplers and have a very hard time adapting to them. Grapplers have a hard time with the ground and pound that wrestlers bring to the ring and strikers have a hard time if they get taken down, but can win the stand up any day.

Is the general thought that it's not what you specialize in but what your secondary defense is?


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