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post #11 of 37 (permalink) Old 09-29-2008, 12:06 AM
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I think Jardine gets over confident sometimes and underestimates his opponents.
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post #12 of 37 (permalink) Old 09-29-2008, 12:11 AM
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Keith Jardine may be inconsistant, but Brandon Vera is the most overhyped fighter in the UFC.


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He KO'd Forrest and got KO'd by Alexander and he beat Chuck, a pretty confusing mix.
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My thoughts.
My personal opinion is that keith jardine luckd out against some of the wins he has and beating chuck liddel now a days isnt much of a feet.

Again thats my personal opinion and shouldnt offend anyone.

Who ever neg repped me your a total douche. Atleast leave your name.


For one Fedor>All

-Thiago Silva beat Houston Alexander
He also beat James Irvin who also beat Houston Alexander who Keith Jardine BRUTALLY lost to.
-Stephan Bonner already has a win over Keith.
-Rich Franklin is a much better striker and everything else for that matter.
-Tim Boetscheck would just rush Keith Jardine and lay him out similar to how houston and Wanderlei did.
-Tito Ortiz in my opinion would lay and pray a decision victory.
-If Tito Ortiz could lay and pray a decision then Matt Hamill sure as hell can.
-Brendon Vera is way more well rounded then Keith is.

My list dosent exactly mean who i would rank above who but who i think would beat Keith. Sorry i just dont see anything good in the guy. His a C+ fighter at best.

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Alexander Houston - No he is 0-3 in his last 3 Jardine is his only decent win.
Tim Boetsch-No, has beat nobody of any importance
Stephan Bonner-To inactive no big wins
Rashad Evans
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Wanderlei
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Matt Hammil- No Big Wins
Rich Franklin- Not established enough at LHW
Machida
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Tito Ortiz - Nothing of any importance in years.
Thiago Silva
Sokudjou
Brendan Vera-NO! barely beat Reese Andy in his only LHW fight,
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I disagree with both of the previous and did my own.




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Jardine's style/skillset/whatever has a critical flaw......just like Liddell.

Liddell can not be the aggressor.

Jardine can not handle aggression.

His opponents are going to try over-whelm him is the first round. Lets see if Vera doesn't come out like a man possessed to start the fight. Will it work? Who knows? Vera and Jardine are both hit or miss...but great stand-up fighters. Should be interesting.

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I think Jardine is tailor made for Vera. Jardines stand up is fairly slow and predictable and lacks power in the hands.
Vera didn't look good in his last fight but I'm confident he will bring it against Jardine. Vera wins the fight either standing or on the ground.
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He dropped Liddell with a punch and knocked Forrest Griffin goofy.. I wouldn't say he doesn't have power in his hands, personally.


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Keith Jardine may be inconsistant, but Brandon Vera is the most overhyped fighter in the UFC.
So true. So, so true.

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My personal opinion is that keith jardine luckd out against some of the wins he has and beating chuck liddel now a days isnt much of a feet.

Again thats my personal opinion and shouldnt offend anyone.

Who ever neg repped me your a total douche. Atleast leave your name.
I'll pos rep you, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.


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For one Fedor>All

-Thiago Silva beat Houston Alexander
He also beat James Irvin who also beat Houston Alexander who Keith Jardine BRUTALLY lost to.
We can't really factor in wins over wins. I mean, look at it like this: Houston Alexander beat Keith Jardine, but Keith Jardine beat Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin.. does that mean Houston Alexander should be ranked higher than Griffin and Chuck? In my opinion, no.. it just doesn't work like that.


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-Stephan Bonner already has a win over Keith.
In an unranked match-up though.

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-Rich Franklin is a much better striker and everything else for that matter.
While I may be inclined to agree with you, Rich hasn't done anything super important at LHW, yet. It shouldn't matter if he's a better technical fighter or not, it's what's achieved that counts in the rankings.

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-Tim Boetscheck would just rush Keith Jardine and lay him out similar to how houston and Wanderlei did.
lol Boetscheck? Is that like Josh Koscheck and Tim Boetsch fused together?

But seriously, Tim Boetsch can't be ranked higher than Jardine because he has no wins that are comparable to Jardine's wins over Liddell and Griffin. Tim Boetsch hasn't beaten anyone of importance, really.

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-Tito Ortiz in my opinion would lay and pray a decision victory.
I'm a bit on the fence with Tito, because he does have that win over Forrest, and has faced nothing but top competition at LHW---which probably explains his lack of recent success.

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If Tito Ortiz could lay and pray a decision then Matt Hamill sure as hell can.
Once again, Matt Hamill hasn't got a win over a top 10 LHW.. we can't put him ahead based-on his style match-up against Jardine.

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-Brendon Vera is way more well rounded then Keith is.
Yeah, but who has he beaten? See what I mean?

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My list dosent exactly mean who i would rank above who but who i think would beat Keith. Sorry i just dont see anything good in the guy. His a C+ fighter at best.
Goddamn it, why couldn't you have posted that before your breakdown? Would have saved me a response!

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He dropped Liddell with a punch and knocked Forrest Griffin goofy.. I wouldn't say he doesn't have power in his hands, personally.




So true. So, so true.



I'll pos rep you, everyone's entitled to their own opinion.




We can't really factor in wins over wins. I mean, look at it like this: Houston Alexander beat Keith Jardine, but Keith Jardine beat Chuck Liddell and Forrest Griffin.. does that mean Houston Alexander should be ranked higher than Griffin and Chuck? In my opinion, no.. it just doesn't work like that.




In an unranked match-up though.



While I may be inclined to agree with you, Rich hasn't done anything super important at LHW, yet. It shouldn't matter if he's a better technical fighter or not, it's what's achieved that counts in the rankings.



lol Boetscheck? Is that like Josh Koscheck and Tim Boetsch fused together?

But seriously, Tim Boetsch can't be ranked higher than Jardine because he has no wins that are comparable to Jardine's wins over Liddell and Griffin. Tim Boetsch hasn't beaten anyone of importance, really.



I'm a bit on the fence with Tito, because he does have that win over Forrest, and has faced nothing but top competition at LHW---which probably explains his lack of recent success.



Once again, Matt Hamill hasn't got a win over a top 10 LHW.. we can't put him ahead based-on his style match-up against Jardine.



Yeah, but who has he beaten? See what I mean?



Goddamn it, why couldn't you have posted that before your breakdown? Would have saved me a response!
Lol thanks for the rep
haha

I was reading ur response and i was thinking to myself "i said that my list isnt who should be ranked above him". Then i go further down and i see my format screwd you :P

sorry lol
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Jardine's style/skillset/whatever has a critical flaw......just like Liddell.

Liddell can not be the aggressor.

Jardine can not handle aggression.

His opponents are going to try over-whelm him is the first round. Lets see if Vera doesn't come out like a man possessed to start the fight. Will it work? Who knows? Vera and Jardine are both hit or miss...but great stand-up fighters. Should be interesting.

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I agree with you 100%... jardine isnt aggressive and cant handle aggression and chuck can beat aggressive fighter but when they play his game he doesn't know what to do. Jardine is a hell of a nice guy and he belongs in the UFC but his win over Lidell was impressive and earned but hes still not the same caliber fighter as Lidell Wandi shogun rampage or even Forrest. even if he has beat Lidell and Forrest i dont think it would happen again. Jardine has some ways to go till hes Champ material.

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He dropped Liddell with a punch and knocked Forrest Griffin goofy.. I wouldn't say he doesn't have power in his hands, personally.
Jardine also rocked Alexander but 20 seconds later he was unconscious. Let's remember how big these guys are and how tiny the gloves are. If they land a clean power shot it should be enough to quickly finish the fight. Many can, Jardine can't.
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