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View Poll Results: Was Brock Lesnar gassed after his three round domination of Heath Herring?

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Old 09-29-2008, 07:46 PM   #31 (permalink)
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actually that's 80% wrong.

he'll be training with fresh guys every round in his sparing.

and where you really prepare your cardio isn't really there either. It's in your bag and HIIT training.
You're missing the point. You don't get equally tired with every activity. Randy is going to work him harder than anyone he trains with because he will have a level of technique that Brock's training partners can't reproduce. Brock will attempt to compensate for that lack of skill with sheer strength and that's why he'll be gassed in the fifth.

I mean the vast majority of fighters train for the entire potential duration of their fight, and they gas anyway- because they're being worked on by someone with skills above and beyond the people they train with. It'll happen to Brock too.
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Old 09-29-2008, 07:56 PM   #32 (permalink)
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You're missing the point. You don't get equally tired with every activity. Randy is going to work him harder than anyone he trains with because he will have a level of technique that Brock's training partners can't reproduce. Brock will attempt to compensate for that lack of skill with sheer strength and that's why he'll be gassed in the fifth.

I mean the vast majority of fighters train for the entire potential duration of their fight, and they gas anyway- because they're being worked on by someone with skills above and beyond the people they train with. It'll happen to Brock too.
you missed the point that his training partners are going to push him harder in 4th round sparing then randy can push him in the second round fighting.

What skillset do you propose randy has that's going to gas lesnar? Did I miss the memo where randy all of a sudden grew some breakneck pace or something?
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you missed the point that his training partners are going to push him harder in 4th round sparing then randy can push him in the second round fighting.
Except they won't have Randy's skills. Quality is more important than quantity. He can use a new opponent every minute and it won't matter if they don't have skills to compare to Randy's.

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What skillset do you propose randy has that's going to gas lesnar? Did I miss the memo where randy all of a sudden grew some breakneck pace or something?
... the one i've mentioned in every single post so far- greco roman clinch with dirty boxing.
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Except they won't have Randy's skills. Quality is more important than quantity. He can use a new opponent every minute and it won't matter if they don't have skills to compare to Randy's.



... the one i've mentioned in every single post so far- greco roman clinch with dirty boxing.
yeah cause he has the advantage there
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yeah cause he has the advantage there :sarcasm:
... yeah, actually he does. Olympic-level Greco Roman. World-class dirty boxing.
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... yeah, actually he does. Olympic-level Greco Roman. World-class dirty boxing.
dirty boxing doesn't push cardio.

Lesnar has a more successful amature wrestling carreer.

Being a failing olympic alternate isn't a measure of success and Lesnar's Collage record dominates Couture's.

+ the clinch is a power struggle Lesnar's strength/size and Amature Champion level wrestling put him at a large advantage....
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agree , i dont think using clinch against brock is a good idea
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You lost me a bit. If it goes to the ground, Brock will be ontop of Randy. If it gets to standing in the clinch, Brock will indeed use his strength/size/speed to take advantage of the situation.

Like I said before, if it were running laps Randys in good shape. Its an MMA match though, and Randy is going to be the one carrying all that extra weight of Brocks much of the time.

Are you completely blocking out the possibility of Randy getting the takedown? If the fight goes into the clinch, Randy has a substantial advantage over Brock. That's a given. Strength and size will never trump technique in that area of the game, Randy beats him at all fours there. The premise that strength and size will somehow supersede technique has been proven wrong on perpetual occasions.

That's why I believe this fight will be predicated on whether or not Randy can mount the takedown. Brock is the more explosive man, presumably much quicker in spite of his generous weight advantage, but once Randy gets a hold of him all of Brock's physical advantages will be nullified. There are so many intangibles in this fight that you can't promptly pick a true favorite. We still haven't seen enough of Brock's stand-up to correctly gauge how versed he is on the feet. Nor have we seen if he has any major deficiencies off his back. How about Randy's long layoff? Will that be a detriment to him given his age? So many questions to be asked right now that it broils down to merely a coin flip in many respects.
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dirty boxing doesn't push cardio.
Have you ever trained greco clinch? I have. It's extremely exhausting. Now add in punches, elbows, and knees. Yeah, it does push cardio like crazy actually.
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Lesnar has a more successful amature wrestling carreer.

Being a failing olympic alternate isn't a measure of success and Lesnar's Collage record dominates Couture's.
Brock did have a better amateur career. Then he started doing redneck gymnastics for a living.
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Lesnar has virtually no credentials at all in Greco Roman. His experience is in freestyle and collegiate where leg takedowns are emphasized and clinch takedowns are relatively rare. So no, he won't have the same skills as Randy in the clinch, and he's going to have to exert himself a lot more to make up for that. He also has shown almost literally no dirty boxing skills, whereas Randy is one of the best in the business.

We've never seen Brock take hits before really. What is he going to do after Randy rings his bell a few times in the clinch? Brock could even find himself on the receiving end of a takedown.
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Brock had enough energy to do that little dance at the end of the Herring fight, so he'll do fine. Randy hasn't been dominated in a fight, as far as I can remember, since Barnett and that wasn't in the same way Lesnar will bring it to Randy. This is a pure test of Randy's heart. If he's got the cahooners to stick in the fight until an oppertunity presents it self. We will see.
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