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View Poll Results: Was Brock Lesnar gassed after his three round domination of Heath Herring?

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Old 09-29-2008, 09:50 PM   #51 (permalink)
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i don't think randy will move past half guard....mounting brock would be ASKING for a reversal seeing as how Brock could easily buck randy off....from half guard tho, it offers Randy alot more control
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i don't think randy will move past half guard....mounting brock would be ASKING for a reversal seeing as how Brock could easily buck randy off....from half guard tho, it offers Randy alot more control
Randy has said in the past he feels like he has the best control in half guard because he can control his opponent's body via their leg while still having a good posture to rain GnP.

But I'm not sure putting Brock in his back is good idea for Randy until Brock gasses (if he even does).
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Randy has said in the past he feels like he has the best control in half guard because he can control his opponent's body via their leg while still having a good posture to rain GnP.

But I'm not sure putting Brock in his back is good idea for Randy until Brock gasses (if he even does).
yeh...and i think he learned from his fight w/ big tim that mounting a much larger man when you aren't a sub artist isn't always the smartest thing

i see it the same as you....only mount when you smell the blood

i find alot of wrestlers on the bottom are able to sweep from half guard alot better than when their in full guard...obviously sacrificing any possible sub attempts....ala koscheck/gsp round 1...any time randy chooses to posture, he's at risk of getting reversed.

i dunno where this fight will take place....we know both guys can implement gameplans....but who's wrestling will allow them to dictate where the fight takes place? we'll find out then i guess
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Old 09-29-2008, 10:27 PM   #54 (permalink)
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I haven't followed this discussion but what advantage of putting big strong wrestlers on their backs is that they almost always try to power out and allow you to take their back if you are quick enough.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:12 PM   #55 (permalink)
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as a wrestler he has a lot of experience sweeping and reversing takedowns.
How so? When wrestlers actually get taken down, they don't seem to sweep so much as turn on to their stomachs. Sweeping isn't really a wrestling thing so much as BJJ thing.

But regardless, the types of takedowns that Brock has most experience defending is, again, leg takedowns. Randy does things a bit differently, of course.

I like the points that people have made concerning Randy's half-guard over his mount, and I agree that he will probably have more success there -- at least for the first couple of rounds.

I'd also like to point out, having watched the Lesnar-Herring fight once more, I don't think that Brock will actually be able to take Randy down. If we look at all of his takedowns up until this point, they've been high shots. He seems to grab his opponents around the body rather than legs. That type of shot -- especially for somebody with Randy's experience -- will be easy to thwart with underhooks, which would bring the fight right into Randy's backyard.

The more I analyze this, the more I see Randy getting the better of Brock in the wrestling dept.
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Old 09-29-2008, 11:15 PM   #56 (permalink)
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How so? When wrestlers actually get taken down, they don't seem to sweep so much as turn on to their stomachs. Sweeping isn't really a wrestling thing so much as BJJ thing.

But regardless, the types of takedowns that Brock has most experience defending is, again, leg takedowns. Randy does things a bit differently, of course.

I like the points that people have made concerning Randy's half-guard over his mount, and I agree that he will probably have more success there -- at least for the first couple of rounds.

I'd also like to point out, having watched the Lesnar-Herring fight once more, I don't think that Brock will actually be able to take Randy down. If we look at all of his takedowns up until this point, they've been high shots. He seems to grab his opponents around the body rather than legs. That type of shot -- especially for somebody with Randy's experience -- will be easy to thwart with underhooks, which would bring the fight right into Randy's backyard.

The more I analyze this, the more I see Randy getting the better of Brock in the wrestling dept.
we'll have to see who's analysis is right when it happens .
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i'm really stoked to find out!
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we'll have to see who's analysis is right when it happens .
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He wasnt gassed, but I also dont think he was that active on the ground since Herring pretty much jus layed there and took it. So I'm reserving judgement until I see him in a real grind of a fight.
My thougts exactly. He wasn't doing much
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Are you completely blocking out the possibility of Randy getting the takedown? If the fight goes into the clinch, Randy has a substantial advantage over Brock. That's a given. Strength and size will never trump technique in that area of the game, Randy beats him at all fours there. The premise that strength and size will somehow supersede technique has been proven wrong on perpetual occasions.

That's why I believe this fight will be predicated on whether or not Randy can mount the takedown. Brock is the more explosive man, presumably much quicker in spite of his generous weight advantage, but once Randy gets a hold of him all of Brock's physical advantages will be nullified. There are so many intangibles in this fight that you can't promptly pick a true favorite. We still haven't seen enough of Brock's stand-up to correctly gauge how versed he is on the feet. Nor have we seen if he has any major deficiencies off his back. How about Randy's long layoff? Will that be a detriment to him given his age? So many questions to be asked right now that it broils down to merely a coin flip in many respects.

I think if Randy manages to trip Brock, Brock will quickly regain control and top mount on the ground.

And I respect your perspective on the fight, but I see it from a completely different angle. For me it's obvious Randy has no chance, and its going to be a dominant performance from Lesnar.

You'll see what I mean in Novemer.

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