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To be frank, chief, my willingness to point out the obvious about Lesnar is feuled as much by my indignace to human stupidity, as it is by respect for Lesnar. I've got lots of both.
LOL, lots of human stupidity?
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And no amount of childish insults can save Randy at this point, but you are reeeeally making me look forward to enjoying your new post fight sig
Me too, chachi! The only thing that's obvious is that Brock is still untested and your faith is just that, faith. It's possible he could win, but he definitely has not demonstrated that level of ability yet.
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Randy almost looks like a welterweight standing next to Brock. That's frightening.
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I got Randy to sign this poster at a night of combat last week. He also dispelled any rumors about battling shoulder injury which could potentially delay fight with Brock.
He really didnt look that big in person, ..i guess i was expecting to see a superhero of some sort
Me too, chachi! The only thing that's obvious is that Brock is still untested and your faith is just that, faith. It's possible he could win, but he definitely has not demonstrated that level of ability yet.
yeah, see... I'd edited my post in hopes of avoiding an idiotic responce like this, lol... at least your fast at typing, thats something I guess.
And the point about faith... thats the whoile thing I guess yeah that has a lot of you guys bent out of shape.
It's not faith. It's the ability to observe reality without emotion or ego. Brock beating Randy isn't something I want to happen for personal reasons. Its something that is going to happen because we live in reality. The reason I keep bringing it up, is because somewhere in the back of my head there is an irrational voice that tells me if I'm right enough times all the people will shut up, listen and think... its a lost cause I know. At least I can make an asshat display an awsome sig for a year, thats something.
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Randy almost looks like a welterweight standing next to Brock. That's frightening.
Yeah... Who looks at that picture and still can't see the truth? Stupid people if you ask me, lol.
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And the point about faith... thats the whoile thing I guess yeah that has a lot of you guys bent out of shape.
It's not faith. It's the ability to observe reality without emotion or ego. Brock beating Randy isn't something I want to happen for personal reasons. Its something that is going to happen because we live in reality.
Apparently you live in another reality where upsets never occur. And honestly it would hardly be an upset if Randy beat Brock.
Your refusal to admit the possibility of a loss to Couture has cost you all credibility, and your claims of objectivity are ridiculous in the face of your utter irrationality.
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Come back in and buy a round of whiskey
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I'm not making anything up... You are blinded with hate Bazza. Mir went for a couple of submisions in the match before the knee bar, he had no idea he'd tried them until he watched the tape, I'm not hunting down the interview on your account. Your attitude is proof you just don't like Lesnar for personal reasons, nothing to do with reality. Tim Silvia is lazy, anyone with eyes and a brain could figure that out... And just to be clear, you haters are the ones always talking about prowresling, I have no idea what Lesnar did in pro wrestling. (also, you were the one who ran from the thread, in fear of rational thought, not me, champ)
Oni, Couture was horrendous PR in the sence that he stopped promoting the UFC, and began promoting Fedor... Who isn't even inthe UFC. I'm sure Dana wants his head on a plate for that.
And deserve? I guess it doesn't mean much to me how long anyone has been in MMA, who cares? Brock is going to crush Randy, not because he's marketable.., but because hes way better than Randy at HW. This is a real life sport, it's not fixed, if Lesnar can beat the champion that means he deserved the shot, period. Your fears for the future of MMA are completely unwarented, Brock is not a side show by any strech of the imagination. He is a WAY better ambassidor for the sport than say..., Tim Silvia, lol. Or Chuck Lidell, or even Randy Couture. I don't get why people don't see that. He's not in it for a lark, he's in it to be the best, and he's one of the most driven athletes I've ever seen.
And yes, you are clouded with Lesnar hate. You hate it that he got a shot so quickly, but that has no bearing on his ability to beat Couture.
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You can't say that Lesnar's name did not have a part in him getting a title shot, b/c it sure as was not his technical ability. If you look at Brock Lesnars Game in terms of striking and the Ground techniques compared with other top ranked HW fighters in the UFC it is not so good; but in terms of strength he is probably the best. Look at the way he defended a kneebar from Mir it was white belt level Bullshit. Can anyone name a top ranked HW fighter who has been submitted by a kneebar in the UFC?
I'm trying to say that Lesnar knows a few ground techniques and defenses but not enough to warrant a title shot. If Lesnar tries that ground BS that he did with Crazyhorse with HW fighters that have a ground game... he is done for. Take fighters like Werdum, Gonzaga, Nogueira, Mir (who has proven this huge weakness). In what few fights Lesnar has had his strategy was to take the opponent down, control the position, and try to pound them out (which is what he should do given his size and strength); but that strategy will not work on seasoned BJJ black belts like Nogueira. I'm not sure that will work on Randy either given his wrestling background. Dana white himself said that you need to be well versed in both Striking and Ground game to be a champion in the UFC. Given Lesnars background in wrestling he should have some excellent takedown defenses which will help against BJJ black belts but that still leaves his striking (as well as how well he works off his back). Lesnar has some massive sledge hammers for hands which can knock any opponent down but since his striking is not yet polished he is lacking the in the area to knockout someone. Don't get me wrong, Lesnar has the power for a knockout but it is just that he is not striking correctly in order to achieve that result (not working the angles for a one punch knockout). Take chuck lidell, he has powerful hands and he works the angles and counterpunches in to get that knockout (and anderson silva is kind of the same way). He can daze his opponent so that they fall to the ground but he can't knock them out once he is there.
Lesnar is a great Champion in the making but I'm not sure if he can beat Randy give his skill set as of now... but idk.
Randy's boxing is a little bit more crisp, Lesnars' wrestling might be a little better than Randy's, and since I see Lesnar almost as a younger version of Randy in the making....that is given their styles. Idk I just wish Lesnar was more well rounded.
my opinioun brock will just control this fight in every aspect, hes proved he can stand and bang a lil hes proved he can control people on the ground, and teh guys strnght and size and not to mention HAND size, im not saying its gunna be like a 2 second fight with brock knoking him out, in no way to i expect that to happen, randy has the more experiance then brock sure but brocks just a beast, randy will put up a good fight against brock but brock will come out on top in this one
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this fight is a Win-Win situation for Brock Lesnar because if wins he will have instantly solidified is spot as a proven fighter (silencing all the critics); if Brock loses he will have still gained valuable cage experience against a heavyweight champ (and keep in mind its only his 3rd fight in the UFC, and this guy is going to be around for many years to come). Another thing to keep in mind is how he performs in this bout, for if you puts up a good fight and still loses he will have also silenced the critics.
For Randy it could be a Win-Lose situation in the aspect of him winning it will be no big deal (I mean that is what a Champ is supposed to do). If Randy loses (and depending on how he loses) it may be the beginning of the end of his career. Randy is the oldest fighter to ever hold the UFC championship (and his body can't take too many more years of this sport.... just look at Matt Hughes). If Randy loses it will almost be a symbol of the changing of the guard.
Nah, not a graphic sig, we can just have a little "cplmac made me admit I was wrong about Lesnar" or whatever. you know. I won't choose anything foul, I'll try to make it funny, and I hope you'll do the same.
Anyway, I never said Lesnar doesn't belong in the UFC (he does, he is good enough to hang), but cmon, Lesnar via "anything he wants"? Only in WWE! Lesnar has displayed no submission skills. His only actual finish was by TKO against a complete can. he couldn't even finish Herring who isn't exactly a top-flight HW anymore.
In the UFC, Brock's only real chance of finishing Randy is via TKO or UD. He just doesn't have the subs or striking to finish it any other way right now, and certainly not to choose his method as if he was some kind of well-rounded MMA master. That was what the "only in the WWE" comment was about.
So, basically, we just shake on it here and wait with bated breath
Man this fight has got me thinking. On the one hand I don't see how Randy won't take this with relative ease.. on the other hand Lesnar seems to be improving at such an awesome rate, he poses a lot of danger to Randy!
I think Lesnar will be able to shock us and take this fight by UD.
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A champion in the making
That was what the "only in the WWE" comment was about. 
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