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Thank god there are some people with some sense in their brains. I just got out of this "this Couture/Lesnar fight has me really confused", and all these people were talking about the many ways Lesnar has to beat Couture, and how there is no way that Couture can win. All I have to say to that is...honestly, you're joking, right? I don't believe any person who has seen Randy Couture fight (even once) and seen Brock Lesnar fight (be it WWE or MMA, and yes, that WWE stuff is going to be funny until he really proves himself) you cannot honestly believe Lesnar has anything but a punchers chance. Now, that is the only thing I will give you, Lesnar is a HUGE strong dude, and as shown in his fight with Heath, he can put a ton of power behind his shots, but that's all he has. I understand he's huge, but in terms of wrestling, he doesn't stand a chance! Are you kidding? He's Randy f'ing Couture, the man is the best wrestler in the sport, bar none. And I understand just looking at their size you may thing Lesnar is going to dominate the wrestling, but you really can't judge it on that until they get in the cage because everyone talks about Randy, and what's it's like when he gets his arms around you, and Brock what? Wrestled in college? wow, big dog, Randy's been INTEGRATING his wrestling into an mma game for years now, and he's going to dominate the clinch and the ground. As I said before Brock's only chance is landing a huge punch, and good luck with that, as shown by his fight with big Tim his boxing looks incredible, great head movement, quick sharp punches, I would give the advantage to Randy in the stand up. So to sum up, how many times does he have to prove that he's the best heavyweight in the world (barring Fedor, he's god), for people to stop thinking he's the f'ing underdog. I would take the money of ANYONE who watched mma little enough to honestly believe that Brock "WWE" Lesnar would beat Randy "The Natural" Couture in any legitimate arena.
I SAID THE SAME THING. IT'S OBVIOUS THAT TIM SILVIA COULDN'T GET THE JOB DONE. RANDY WAS PHENOMENAL IN THAT FIGHT, AND I GUARANTEE HE WILL BE READY FOR BROCK AS WELL
I know how great of a fighter Randy Couture is and why he is a three-time champion, but when I look at Brock Lesnar I can't imagine anybody beating him. I've seen his fights and this guy is huge and surprisingly quick. And he can and will get a take down whenever he wants, its what he does down there that will determine the fight, i think.
yes i can say Tim Sylvia. He is the tall clumsy slow guy that got beat by Mir, Couture, Nog, and Fedor. He is nowhere near as fast or athletic as Brock and despit being big he is nowhere near as strong as Brock. Most people Brock's size are stll not as strong as him (he is just freakishly strong) and Sylvia isn as big anyway. Sylvia weighs 263 but is 6'7"or 6'8". Brock weighs 280 and is only 6'3". That means Sylvia has 3.29 lbs per inch whereas Lesnar has 3.74 lbs per inch. Believe it or not that difference is huge. Especially when Brock is more muscle and Sylvia is a little flabby. I think Sylvia would be crushed by Brock cuz he isn athletic enough to counter Brock's wrestling so please stop mentioning Tim Sylvia.
Randy was the underdog with Tim, but was phenomenal in his performance. if anyone thinks Randy ain't gonna be prepared then your sadly mistaking. Frank Mir also beat Brock, so whats that tell you? It tells me that Randy can beat him with his more experienced techniques alone, and also just stay away from the big knock out power Brock can bring. I ain't saying Brock won't win, cause it can go either way, but i am just saying...don't count Randy out so fast!
Brock Lesnar and Tim Sylvia are completly different fighters, their hardly comparable. Size does matter, sure Randy can overcome the size difference but size is a advantage. If Brock was the same size as Randy it would be a lot easier.
Question- if two fighters were to fight and both fighters were equal in every way except one is 50lbs of muscle bigger who would be the favorite??? Personally I would pick the bigger fighter...
Now Randy and Brock are not equal in every way but I just wanted to point out the size mattering thing.
Your right in the fact that Tim and Lesnar are two different fighters. Yes, Tim is awkwardly big and clumsy but he had the ability to finish a fight; I mean he just didn't have punching power but also a little boxing technique to go with it. Lesnar on the other hand has punching power but he can't finish, so he relies on classic wrestlers strategy (get it to the ground and just control the fighter to win by points). Lesnar is more muscle but a lot of muscle requires a lot more oxygen in order to sustain itself; which means his conditioning will be tested (but I think his conditioning is up to the task).
Lesnar's greatest advantage is his size and strength but if he relies too much on it, they will become crutches and turn into weaknesses (you become too predictable in what your going to do in a fight).
I am a little skeptical about Lesnar using his wrestling ability to control the fight. Have people forgotten Randy started off as an Olympic wrestler alternate. So in terms of wrestling/grappling ability they might fairly close (its possible that they cancel each other out). In terms of striking I think Lesnar has more power but Randy has more technique (boxing that is). Lesnar's punches are a little wide and sometimes looping, he would need to tighten that up significantly if he wants to stand with Randy.
Your right in the fact that Tim and Lesnar are two different fighters. Yes, Tim is awkwardly big and clumsy but he had the ability to finish a fight; I mean he just didn't have punching power but also a little boxing technique to go with it. Lesnar on the other hand has punching power but he can't finish, so he relies on classic wrestlers strategy (get it to the ground and just control the fighter to win by points). Lesnar is more muscle but a lot of muscle requires a lot more oxygen in order to sustain itself; which means his conditioning will be tested (but I think his conditioning is up to the task).
Lesnar's greatest advantage is his size and strength but if he relies too much on it, they will become crutches and turn into weaknesses (you become too predictable in what your going to do in a fight).
I am a little skeptical about Lesnar using his wrestling ability to control the fight. Have people forgotten Randy started off as an Olympic wrestler alternate. So in terms of wrestling/grappling ability they might fairly close (its possible that they cancel each other out). In terms of striking I think Lesnar has more power but Randy has more technique (boxing that is). Lesnar's punches are a little wide and sometimes looping, he would need to tighten that up significantly if he wants to stand with Randy.
I agree with just about everything you said but as far as the looping punches go maybe my memory is just a bit off but I dont remember looping punches. I remember the strait that broke Herrings face and the strait that knocked Mir on his butt. All the other punches I remember him throwing were GnP
yes i can say Tim Sylvia. He is the tall clumsy slow guy that got beat by Mir, Couture, Nog, and Fedor. He is nowhere near as fast or athletic as Brock and despit being big he is nowhere near as strong as Brock. Most people Brock's size are stll not as strong as him (he is just freakishly strong) and Sylvia isn as big anyway. Sylvia weighs 263 but is 6'7"or 6'8". Brock weighs 280 and is only 6'3". That means Sylvia has 3.29 lbs per inch whereas Lesnar has 3.74 lbs per inch. Believe it or not that difference is huge. Especially when Brock is more muscle and Sylvia is a little flabby. I think Sylvia would be crushed by Brock cuz he isn athletic enough to counter Brock's wrestling so please stop mentioning Tim Sylvia.
ok, well since you brought it up, Mir beat Brock, so where do you seriously think this will be so easy for Brock. Don't you think Randy definitely knows what he is up against? Brock has definite potential but I think his skills will be his down fall to Randy...only my opinion!
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