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Theres a flip side to that coin though TBF. Being new to the sport does mean you improve quicker but you also have a lot of ground to make up on someone thats been doing this for as long as Randy.
Lets face it, Brocks got good wrestling, (i'm still not convinced how good as Jake OBrien took Herring down and kept him there for 3 rounds not long ago) but he's never trained striking or BJJ up until a couple of years ago. He's not gonna turn into a Crocop/Nog hybrid overnight like some people are making out.
Ang TBH I'd rather have seen Randy-Werdum, IMO it's a lot more interesting match-up stylistically. Randy-Brock will interest more casual fans of course but I'd have much preferred Randy-Werdum.
Werdum obviously deserves the shot far more than Brock, but it goes without saying, from a business standpoint Dana and the Fertitta's would gain much more profit in revenue and PPV buys with Couture/Lesnar than Couture/Werdum, which is ideally the reason behind steadily building the Brock train without continuing to mold his legitimacy in the sport.
I favor Randy in the wrestling realm, having far more international experience than Lesnar, while Brock is handily the bigger man with more strength and explosiveness to his command. The physical gallantry in which Lesnar possesses, while having many intangibles, could very well determine the difference between a win and a loss.
Experience unequivocally goes to Randy, in addition to having superiority in every facet given Brock's rudimentary training in comparison to the former. Although this is the type of fight not worth betting on for the many unknown variables Brock still raises, along with Couture's year-long inactivity, especially at his age. The longer the fight goes, the presumable advantage Randy inhabits with the more polished cardio.
This is definitely tough to gauge. Randy has overcome the size and age hurtle throughout his entire career. If the fight goes into the clinch, Randy should have no problem negating Brock's shear power by trumping it with predominate technique. If Randy can't defend and nullify Brock's shot, he'll be working tooth and nail on the bottom trying to repeal Brock's onslaught. Considering Herring is much larger than Randy, Brock should have no problem employing great body control from top position, provided he can muster through the takedown. I'm going with Randy here based purely on experience and having more of a reliable, battle-tested base over Brock who is still vastly inexperienced and doesn't have the same skill level that Randy does, in any area. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if Brock completely dominates Randy with constant pressuring and wading in frequently for a shot, but I'm more than sure that Randy is prepared anything Brock brings to the table.
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Suizida tried to tell me that Jardine's Techno viking monkey style was too much for Vera's overhyped skills but i was to busy nuthugging to listen to 'the truth'
See, its really hard to take you seriously when you say things like Lesnar is "taking over our sport" when he in fact has a 2-1 record, neither win against a top10 fighter. That's actually what we call a "beginner".
Anyway, I hope you'll enjoy wearing a giant diss on your favorite fighter in your sig for thirty days
Um, I didn't say there was anything wrong with a UD, but you said Brock could finish it any way he wants to. Sorry if you genuinely don't understand why that statement is ridiculous. Maybe its the same reason Brock is your favorite fighter.
Fine.
Yeah, who cares about record when you're claiming someone is taking over a sport? lol are you drunk or something?
I love it. A guy who's been here about three weeks is trying to make sig plans for his next year. Uh, ok. I suspect you'll just plain leave the site if your guy loses, but I'll take that bet. A year it is.
edit: sorry guys, had to edit this together after he edited his earlier post to respond to my later stuff. which is why it looks a lil odd.
I can promise you I'm not abandoning this account, no matter what you come up with lol.
But Brock isn't losing, so it wont really matter.
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How do you know he trains harder than any other HW. From what I've seen of Brock he's a hard worker but to make a claim like that is a bit silly IMHO.
What? Why do you think Brock is stronger, bigger, faster, and more agile then the rest of the heavy weight devision? Accident? And please don't say magical genetics, because nothing could be sillier. It's because he's worked harder.
What? Why do you think Brock is stronger, bigger, faster, and more agile then the rest of the heavy weight devision? Accident? And please don't say magical genetics, because nothing could be sillier. It's because he's worked harder.
Obviously its magical genetics.*wink*
And Brocks not the fastest or most agile HW. He's pretty quick for his size but not across the whole HW division.
And Brock doesn't deserve his shot, if a UD win over Herring gets you a title shot then where was Jake OBriens?
It's unfair on Werdum and it's unfair on Mir. If Frank Mir gets by Nog then his next fight could be against someone he just beat. That's BS IMO.
The fact of the matter is however much potential Brock may have he's getting a title shot cos he used to prance around pretending to get hit with chairs and jumping off top ropes. IMO that's an insult to the fighters that have worked their whole lives to get to this level.
Its fine to feel that way and i understand the line of thinking completely but it is like Dana said "there is no gay ranking system in the UFC we put on fights that the fans want to see" (that was really just paraphrasing) and a majority of fans would rather see Lesnar/Couture than Werdum/Couture.
Its fine to feel that way and i understand the line of thinking completely but it is like Dana said "there is no gay ranking system in the UFC we put on fights that the fans want to see" (that was really just paraphrasing) and a majority of fans would rather see Lesnar/Couture than Werdum/Couture.
Yeah, a lot of casual fans have a lot of interest in Lesnar - Couture.
The majority of people who have been following the sport for a long time would disagree though IMO.
To me it's more important for the credibility of the UFC and therefore the sport in general that the best fighters fight the best fighters; that the most deserving fighter gets the shot and not someone who's 2-1 in MMA and 1-1 in the UFC.
If Brock had destroyed Herring inside a couple of minutes I probably wouldn't be so pissed off but how is a 1st round loss to Mir and a UD over Herring more worthy of a title shot than stopping Vera and Napao.
A ranking system isn't "gay" it simply stops unjust matchups like this happening.
How would you feel if you'd been fighting your whole life, were worthy of a title shot and got passed over for someone who just cos they used to wear tights and pretend to hit people with chairs drew a lot of presumably fickle fans?
And Brocks not the fastest or most agile HW. He's pretty quick for his size but not across the whole HW division.
And Brock doesn't deserve his shot, if a UD win over Herring gets you a title shot then where was Jake OBriens?
It's unfair on Werdum and it's unfair on Mir. If Frank Mir gets by Nog then his next fight could be against someone he just beat. That's BS IMO.
The fact of the matter is however much potential Brock may have he's getting a title shot cos he used to prance around pretending to get hit with chairs and jumping off top ropes. IMO that's an insult to the fighters that have worked their whole lives to get to this level.
Man, would I LOVE to see one of you clowns who always cry idiotic crap about "prancing around" in pro wrestling.., say anything at all to a HW pro wrestlers face. Of course we all know you wouldn't have the stones to do it in rl, cause youd get murdered by a prancer.
I think you need to forget about the WWE and look at Brock for what he is. He would probably only be another fight or two away from the title even if he'd never been on tv before. People don't want to watch skinny fat goofs like Silvia plod thier beer bellies around the ring. They are excited for Lesnar because he's a legitimate and amaizing athlete.
and lol.., whose faster or more agile than lesnar at HW?
If you are really trying to take Brocks physicality away from him (he's only 6'2" btw...) and chalk it up to genetics, then your just a straight up hater. Brock did the work and got the results. Its not his fault the other guys in the devision dont have the same dedication.
And yeah, Mir having to fight Lesnar would be such an insult. Who ever heard of a rematch after a close or controversial fight? lol, you're crazy clueless with hate... time to take a step back.
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UFC 91: Couture vs Lesnar
Event Type: Live Pay Per View
Location: MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, Nevada
Main Card Bouts:
Randy Couture (C) vs. Brock Lesnar -UFC Heavyweight Championship Gabriel Gonzaga vs. Josh Hendricks Joe Stevenson vs. Kenny Florian Demian Maia vs. Nathan Quarry Dustin Hazelett vs. Tamdan McCrory
Preliminary Card Bouts:
Jeremy Stephens vs. Rafael dos Anjos Matt Riddle vs. Troy Mandaloniz Alvin Robinson vs. Mark Bocek Amir Sadollah vs. Nick Catone
It's the biggest fight in mixed martial arts history! 3-time UFC® Heavyweight Champ Randy "The Natural" Couture returns to the Octagon™ and puts his title on the line against the biggest opponent of his career, wrestling powerhouse Brock Lesnar. Can the legend prevail? Or will a new hero rise?
UFC® 91: Couture vs. Lesnar - Saturday, November 15, live on Pay-Per-View from the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas, NV.
I'll go for Couture here.
He has everything, not age. But Couture will be more intelligent.
Man, would I LOVE to see one of you clowns who always cry idiotic crap about "prancing around" in pro wrestling.., say anything at all to a HW pro wrestlers face. Of course we all know you wouldn't have the stones to do it in rl, cause youd get murdered by a prancer.
I think you need to forget about the WWE and look at Brock for what he is. He would probably only be another fight or two away from the title even if he'd never been on tv before. People don't want to watch skinny fat goofs like Silvia plod thier beer bellies around the ring. They are excited for Lesnar because he's a legitimate and amaizing athlete.
and lol.., whose faster or more agile than lesnar at HW?
If you are really trying to take Brocks physicality away from him (he's only 6'2" btw...) and chalk it up to genetics, then your just a straight up hater. Brock did the work and got the results. Its not his fault the other guys in the devision dont have the same dedication.
And yeah, Mir having to fight Lesnar would be such an insult. Who ever heard of a rematch after a close or controversial fight? lol, you're crazy clueless with hate... time to take a step back.
How's a first round sub either close or controversial???
And TBH I'd LOVE you to go say that to Big Tim. Of course you wouldn't want to get "murdered" as you put it by a "skinny fat goof". BTW how can you be fat and skinny?
You say Brocks a real athlete, well Tims a real fighter who paid his dues and got his shot by knocking people out in real fights not hitting them with chairs in pretend ones.
It's hard to forget about the WWE when that is the SOLE reason that Brocks getting this shot over more deserving fighters.
I like Brock, I think he's taking the sport seriously and has a good chance at beating Randy but it's just his idiot fans who act like he's the second coming of Fedor cos he freaking decisioned Heath Herring. How does that put you a couple of shots from the title???
I think all the Brock nuthuggers are simply demonstrating what sort of adult watches pro-wrestling TBH.
Anyway, I'm done with this thread, was good arguing the point with you man. Even if I COMPLETELY disagree you put your view across pretty well.
i have to admit that although my name is lesnar_thepain i'm not a mark for him, he is my favourite fighter in the UFC at the moment but most of my respect goes to his work ethic and the intensity throughout his training, i watched the WWE when he was the "Next Big Thing" and thought he was amazing i know think that his really is THE NEXT BIG THING for UFC, Randy Couture is an amazing fighter and i personally can't wait to see both these HV Lock up in the OCTAGON, Fights like this are made as it attracts more viewers, and brock brings a huge support club with him from wrestling and will get more people intrested in UFC, I myself am working my arse off to get in shape for MMA training atm as it is a life long dream and want to move from boxing to MMA, shall be watching this fight all the way!!!! UP THE LESNAR ,
UFC 91: COUTURE vs. LESNAR Discussion Thread
lol are you drunk or something?
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