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He did warn Brock first actually if you rewatch the fight you can hear it, Rogan and Goldberg just didn't hear it so they didn't mention it.
It's not as if Mir was in really bad trouble either, Brock was landing some shots but Mir was defending himself and it never looked like it should have been stopped.
Also Mir had regained guard and Brock was kinda standing over him when he got caught if I remember correctly, it's not like Mir rolled into the kneebar out of nowhere just as Brock was almost pounding him out.
I thought you were done with this thread? Maybe you thought since I hadn't posted in a while you could slide your nonsence through, but, nope.
Mir's own words after the fight were that he had no idea what was going on in the fight, he felt like he was drowning. He couldn't even remmember what he'd done in the fight before the knee bar, until he watched the tape.
Lesnar got overly distracted by that point subtraction. It wasn't just the fact that Mir was allowed to stand back up, Lesnar was already nervous, the point thing just put him over the edge and he made a rookie mistake.
(and skinny fat = skinny arms, skinny legs, and a big fat beer gut. Tim Silvia is a good example. How anyone could look at Tim beside Lesnar, and not notice which one is the dedicated athlete, is way, way beyond my ability to comprehend)
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...says the guy who joined this forum a month ago. haha
lol, WTH does that have to do with anything? How long I've been posting here has no effect on reality Cap'm.
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I think this whole fight is bullshit and it pisses me off......can anyone help me understand this?!?!?!?
the moment Lesnar entered the UFC it appears that tool Dana White has been walking him into a title shot; he has had 2-3 fights in the UFC and already has a title shot?!?!?! Am I missing something??????
I feel like Dana is just trying to have Randy pass the torch to a MORE MARKETABLE FIGHTER WITH NAME RECOGNITION (even if he has not been truly tested). It would not surprise me if they paid Randy to take a dive with Lesnar so that he can get out of his UFC contract and pursue his fight with Fedor Emilieninko.
I mean Lesners' record as I know it is:
He got submitted by Frank Mir.
He won his fight against crazyhorse (who really was not a test)....
so He's won 1 fight that I know of.......did he win another UFC fight that I don't know about?
Why didn't he not fight Minitoro Noguiera (someone who has boxing and has submission skills) or any other heavyweights?
*ugh*.............
Wow, all the Lesnar hate has made you dellusional. Couture taking a dive? Are you for real?
Yes Dana wants Brock to get Randy's heat, in a big way, Randy has been horrendous for the company PR wise, but I can garauntee you Couture wants to keep it for himself.
Anyone saying the Mir/Lesnar fight wasn't close is living in Lesnar hate land as well. The fight was just as one sided as the Herring fight, except for the last 3 seconds after Brock made a rookie mistake.
You know who thinks the fight was close? Frank Mir, for sure.
(sry bout the double post, id merge em if I could)
I thought you were done with this thread? Maybe you thought since I hadn't posted in a while you could slide your nonsence through, but, nope.
Mir's own words after the fight were that he had no idea what was going on in the fight, he felt like he was drowning. He couldn't even remmember what he'd done in the fight before the knee bar, until he watched the tape.
Lesnar got overly distracted by that point subtraction. It wasn't just the fact that Mir was allowed to stand back up, Lesnar was already nervous, the point thing just put him over the edge and he made a rookie mistake.
(and skinny fat = skinny arms, skinny legs, and a big fat beer gut. Tim Silvia is a good example. How anyone could look at Tim beside Lesnar, and not notice which one is the dedicated athlete, is way, way beyond my ability to comprehend)
Nice double post there mate.
I'm gutted that I can't slide my nonsense through now that I've come up against the inimitable MMA knowledge of a "rasslin" expert and Lesnar fanboy.
Actually Mir said after the fight that Lesnar was catching him with some pretty hard shots but he was moving his head around a lot and avoiding most of the damage.
And while Tim doesn't have the physique that Brock does your just showing your lack of knowledge by saying Sylvia isn't a dedicated athlete, he's done more in sport (real sport) than Brock and always had good conditioning.
Mir didn't say he couldn't remember what had happened afterwards either, watch the interview in dressing room straight after the fight and Mir talks through exactly what happened in detail. You can't juyst make stuff up mate.
I've said this before but I'll say it again, why are people putting so much stock into a decision win over Heath Herring. Yeah Lesnar won pretty comfortably but he didn't do any thing to him that Jake freakin Obrien didn't do like 3 fights before. Basically take him down and control him.
Brock is good for the sport but the fight is still bullshit...
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Wow, all the Lesnar hate has made you dellusional. Couture taking a dive? Are you for real?
Yes Dana wants Brock to get Randy's heat, in a big way, Randy has been horrendous for the company PR wise, but I can garauntee you Couture wants to keep it for himself.
Anyone saying the Mir/Lesnar fight wasn't close is living in Lesnar hate land as well. The fight was just as one sided as the Herring fight, except for the last 3 seconds after Brock made a rookie mistake.
You know who thinks the fight was close? Frank Mir, for sure.
(sry bout the double post, id merge em if I could)
ok so I may have exaggerated a bit about Randy taking a dive; But I think its delusional to think that Randy is bad PR for the UFC. Randy was great PR for the UFC b/c he had a huge part in forming what fans now see today. Randy was one of the few talented fighters who had a clean wholesome image, for he was an all american wrestler as opposed to being a street fighter/brawler. He was the one who paved the way for other fighters who are currently in the UFC including Brock Lesnar. The only thing that could be considered bad PR is Randy's recent court cases with the UFC and trying to get out of his contract to fight Fedor (the #1 ranked heavyweight in the world), but can you blame him for trying to be #1. The UFC has a bunch of bureaucratic BS preventing the Fedor fight from happening.
Lets be clear I don't hate Brock, he has immaculate potential to be the best HW fighter the UFC will even have; but to say that he deserves a title shot NOW with an MMA career record of 2-1-0 and not having beat any to the top 5 ranked HW fighters in the world is ludicrous. As it stands now Brock is great for the sport of MMA in terms of bringing in more fans who would not normally watch but he is still an amateur will many holes in his game. I would not be making this argument if Brock had been tested by a true heavyweight. There are many HW fighters that are much more deserving of a title shot than Brock but they just don't have the name recognition and PR power; and that is what I find so offensive. To me it seems more like a PR stunt to recruit new fans and make money than it is about maintaining the honor and integrity of the sport (I mean that in terms of the fighters). I think this could be setting a dangerous precedent for future fighters in the UFC, because soon there will be more emphasis on being a marketable character instead of a skilled fighter; and soon we will start seeing more Anna Kournikova's of MMA instead of seeing more Michael Jordans of MMA.
Don't get me wrong...... Brock will more than likely hold his own against Randy (due to his mere size and strength) but he still is a Rookie who can easily lose the fight by making some dumb rookie mistake. At this point I see him as a weekend warrior; for even if he wins the title he will more than likely lose it to a more tested fighter when he tries to defend it (maybe Nogueira or even Mir again). We MMA fans are going to see Brock around in the fight game for a long time, and it will be interesting to see how his fight game develops but I still think he is undeserving for a title shot.
I'm not making anything up... You are blinded with hate Bazza. Mir went for a couple of submisions in the match before the knee bar, he had no idea he'd tried them until he watched the tape, I'm not hunting down the interview on your account. Your attitude is proof you just don't like Lesnar for personal reasons, nothing to do with reality. Tim Silvia is lazy, anyone with eyes and a brain could figure that out... And just to be clear, you haters are the ones always talking about prowresling, I have no idea what Lesnar did in pro wrestling. (also, you were the one who ran from the thread, in fear of rational thought, not me, champ)
Oni, yeah, Couture was horrendous PR in the sence that he stopped promoting the UFC, and began promoting Fedor... Who isn't even inthe UFC. I'm sure Dana wants his head on a plate for that.
And deserve? I guess it doesn't mean much to me how long anyone has been in MMA, who cares? Brock is going to crush Randy, not because he's marketable.., but because hes way better than Randy at HW. This is a real life sport, it's not fixed, if Lesnar can beat the champion that means he deserved the shot, period. Your fears for the future of MMA are completely unwarented, Brock is not a side show by any strech of the imagination. He is a WAY better ambassidor for the sport than say..., Tim Silvia, lol. Or Chuck Lidell, or even Randy Couture. I don't get why people don't see that. He's not in it for a lark, he's in it to be the best, and he's one of the most driven athletes I've ever seen.
And yes, you are clouded with Lesnar hate. You hate it that he got a shot so quickly, but that has no bearing on his ability to beat Couture.
Cheers
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Mir's own words after the fight were that he had no idea what was going on in the fight, he felt like he was drowning. He couldn't even remmember what he'd done in the fight before the knee bar, until he watched the tape.
Yeah isn't that great? Lesnar was so lacking in skill that he got kneebarred by a guy who was "drowning" and couldn't even remember what happened later.
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Yeah isn't that great? Lesnar was so lacking in skill that he got kneebarred by a guy who was "drowning" and couldn't even remember what happened later.
HAhahahahahah... wow, you should be working for McCain with spin skills like that
I got Randy to sign this poster at a night of combat last week. He also dispelled any rumors about battling shoulder injury which could potentially delay fight with Brock.
He really didnt look that big in person, ..i guess i was expecting to see a superhero of some sort
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HAhahahahahah... wow, you should be working for McCain with spin skills like that
spin skills? this coming from a guy handcuffed to the balls of a 2-1 fighter?
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He really didnt look that big in person, ..i guess i was expecting to see a superhero of some sort
Hey very cool you got to meet Mr. Couture. I am a big fan of his actually. If I could be friends with anyone in MMA today, it'd probably be him. Most thoughtful guy in the biz.
But yeah, that promo picture actually looks a bit rediculous. I honestly believe that the people expecting Randy to win, are thinking with thier hearts instead of thier minds.
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spin skills? this coming from a guy handcuffed to the balls of a 2-1 fighter?
To be frank, chief, my willingness to point out the obvious about Lesnar is feuled as much by my indignace to human stupidity (you've been a tremendous example btw, thx for that), as it is by respect for Lesnar. Brocks record is irrelivant, what matters is his ability.
And no amount of insults can save Randy at this point, but you are reeeeally making me look forward to enjoying your new post fight sig
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