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post #1 of 57 (permalink) Old 10-01-2008, 09:27 AM Thread Starter
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Rich Franklin vs Dan Henderson UFC 93 fight set for Dublin

Two former champions who are still among the top light heavyweights in the world, Rich Franklin (24-3) and Dan Henderson (23-7), are slated to headline UFC 93 in a monster 205-pound showdown at The O2 in Dublin, Ireland, on January 17.

Franklin rebounded from a crushing defeat at the hands of Anderson Silva (his second) at UFC 77: “Hostile Territory” back in 2007 to pound out Travis Lutter at UFC 83: “Serra vs. St. Pierre 2” in April of this year. He then followed up that appearance with another winning performance against Matt Hamill with a third round technical knockout at UFC 88: “Breakthrough” earlier this month.

“Ace” has been perfect inside the Octagon (11-0) with the exception of his two losses to “Spider.”

Henderson hasn’t had much luck against the Brazilian, either.

“Dangerous Dan” –- with his proven chin and prestigious Greco Roman wrestling pedigree –- was supposed to be the man to derail the seemingly invincible champion. And in the first round of their fight at UFC 82: “Pride of a Champion,” Henderson appeared to be well on his way.

However, Silva came out in the second frame and finished Henderson with a submission (rear naked choke) -– the first time that the former Pride FC dual champion had been stopped early since 2005. He, too, rebounded from the loss at UFC 83, outpointing Brazilian jiu-jitsu phenom Rousimar Palharas on all three judges scorecards at UFC 88.

It was his first win inside the Octagon since 1998.

In any other promotion –- or if Silva was not in the UFC -– it’s likely that Franklin or Henderson would be middleweight champion. But now both fighters are competing in a heavier division. And there’s no telling if either fighter will continue to fight at middleweight moving forward.

However, Henderson — who simultaneously held both the Pride FC 205- and 183-pound titles — would be the more likely candidate to challenge the “Spider” anytime soon.

UFC 93 will also feature another light heavyweight showdown between Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. Mark Coleman. It is the first-ever event for the promotion in the region, airing on pay-per-view (PPV) at 10 p.m ET.

I think this is an interesting match up. I actually think Franklin has a really good shot to win this fight. Henderson is a good fighter but I think Franklin is the bigger guy and will also show he is the better striker. I don't think Franklin will allow it to be a brawl, but if he does I could see a Henderson KO. I think this may go to a decision with Rich Franklin winning the fight.

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post #2 of 57 (permalink) Old 10-01-2008, 10:58 AM
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oh sweet baby jebus! i'm so excited for this fight, it's even better than the franklin chuck fight, plus it's only about 80 miles from my house so hopefully i'll be able to get tickets to it
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I'll post what I put in another thread:

I think it's a great fight, and I've wanted it to happen since both were the champions of their respective organizations. It would have truly been the kind of Pride vs. UFC fight we wanted a couple years back, rather than Anderson/Hendo which is basically Pride vs. Pride (not that I'm complaining about that fight, I'm stoked to say the least).

As for how it goes, I have to go with Hendo. Rich is a great fighter, but he got over-hyped and overrated heavily during his tenure as champion and I don't know what he's got for Dan. His hands are faster and his combinations are more fluid, but Dan has decent striking technique, much heavier hands, and a far superior chin. Rich might tag Dan, but Hendo can shrug it off. If Hendo hits Rich, I doubt he'll shrug it off. If Dan thinks there's too much heat in the stand-up he can always take the fight down, and Rich has never shown the kind of takedown defense that makes me think he can stop Dan's attempts even half of the time.

Wandi stuffed Hendo’s takedowns in a ring, where clinch takedowns are harder to apply. Greco-Roman takedowns are best applied in the cage because the attacker can press his opponent's back to it and work for leverage while also keeping them trapped. In the ring if you press too hard you're going to fall out of it and you get the tension from the ropes that can actually help your opponent to get momentum and escape. So, Hendo in a cage has better takedowns than Hendo in the ring. The only advantage that the cage gives to someone wanting to escape a takedown is the ability to push off of it and scramble back to the feet, ala Chuck Liddell.

I can't say definitively that Rich wouldn't stuff his takedowns, but I don't see it being likely. Rampage is bigger, stronger, and a better wrestler than Rich and he wasn't capable of shrugging off many of Hendo's takedown attempts, Rich wouldn't fare much better at all in my opinion. The weakest part of Rich's game is his wrestling and he'll be the first to admit that. The only place he holds an advantage in this fight is striking from the outside, and it's not even that much of an advantage due to the aforementioned discrepancies in punching power and sturdiness of chin.

I'm not counting Rich out, just stating the obvious and that is the fact that Hendo has more tools with which to win and more experience against top competition.

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At 205 this will be an amazing figh I can't wait to see this. Henderson has more power on the feet but Franklin is more techinical. They are both skilled grapplers and wrestlers this is one of my favorite match ups in awhile.
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I thought it strange that so many find Rich's chin questionable. True, all three of his defeats were knockouts. But if you take a look at those knocksouts... that guy can take a goddamn beating before he's put away. He took several of Anderson's straight punches(something that knocked James Irvine right on his ass) and didn't really go down before several body kicks and a solid knee to the face. Both of his losses to Silva had him taking a massive beating before he was put away, also the Lyoto Machida loss is very similiar. The guy's on the ground taking windmill GnP for about 10 seconds and gets back to his feet. Let's be honest with ourselves here, Hendo was knocked on his ass to less than Silva's strikes than Franklin. I'm not denying Hendo's chin. The guy's never been K.Oed. But put on the receiving end of the right hits and anyone can be K.Oed. That doesn't make their chin questionable. Also Rich was able to defend Matt Hamill's takedowns without any issue. But realistically, Hamill was much more afraid of Rich's hits than I believe Hendo will be. This will be an interesting match. I don't believe Hendo to be able to stand and trade with Rich's unorthadox style. It'll be a battle, and I'll be rooting for Rich. Someone who I don't think is anywhere near the lack of advantage some have made it seem.
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This is one fight where.. I have no favorites in this fight. I love both these guys ya know.. they're great strikers with great ground game. I think this will be a stand up war, and that Rich would want to keep in standing and out of the clinch.

Saying that.. I think it's going to win one of two ways..

Dan by Right Hand KO.
Or Rich by U Dec.

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This one should be great. Franklin has a questionable chin and it will get tested by Dan. If Dan stays on the outside and tries to just bang with franklin he could lose on points. I think he should pick his spots to strike and then work in a few takedowns. I got Dan either by KO or Decison. But if dan fights a dumb fight he will lose a decison because Franklin is the better striker.


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I see Danny winning this fight but I just want to say to everyone that I am pumped for this one boys and I think were all gonna be in for a hell of a show..........especially at 205.....
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This is a big time fight with two really good guys. Henderson is a better wrestler, I think Rich has good enough bjj to give him problems off his back though. I also think Rich is a better striker but if Hendo is throwing that big right and being wild he can bang with Rich. Should be a good fight and they should both have lots of energy since they dont have to cut so much because the fight is at 205.
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