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Old 10-07-2008, 12:34 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Eddie Bravo: "Joe Rogan could f^@k up a lot of dudes at 170"

Eddie Bravo talks about Joe Rogan and a rematch with Royler Gracie:

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On Joe Rogan's skills...

"Joe Rogan is a bad motherf^@ker and Iím not just saying that. Heís one of my best students. He is a brown belt and he is just a nightmare in the gym."

"Heís swole and very athletic and very flexible. He did Taekwondo his whole life, Kickboxing and Muay Thai and he hits really hard."

"He hits harder than anybody Iíve ever held mitts for. If he wanted to do MMA, Joe Rogan could go straight to 170 and f^@k up a lot of dudes. He can for sure."

On a rematch with Royler Gracie...

"I want to retire officially with a Royler rematch. Weíre trying to get that together with the Professional Submission League. Weíre trying to get that done. They are trying to contact Royler and get that done because thatís the only guy thatís going to get me to get in shape right now and put my music career on hold. Royler is the only one. Iíll take a break from music for 2 months to just focus on him. I wonít do that for anybody else. I know there are guys out there that are probably better than him, but theyíre not going to do anything for my career. I want to prove to him that the first time wasnít a fluke."

On what he thinks should change in the UFC...

"Make wearing pants in the UFC legal. I think if the fighters wanted to wear tights, like Shinya Aoki, I would allow that. I would change that rule immediately. It is a ridiculous rule. The reason Shinya Aoki is known as the guard master of the planet is because the pants are a big reason. It is hard for guys to slip out. If people were allowed to wear pants like guard masters, it would be good for the sport."
More on Joe Rogan, the UFC, Kimbo, Brock and Tim Sylvia in the full interview:

http://www.fighthype.com/pages/content3562.html
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Old 10-07-2008, 12:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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mmk Eddie. Hitting mitts and doing TKD doesn't mean jack for mma. I know a lot of people that hit mitts like it's their job but fall apart when it comes to a real mma fight. I don't doubt that Rogan could do decent in amateur mma, but at the UFC level he'd get killed. First of all, he's 41, and not like living healthy lifestyle like Couture 41, but like I get stoned and hammered every second day since I was a teenager kinda 41. That means he's way past his prime. Second, I've never seen or heard of him even being in any real striking sparring, let alone a full blown mma match/fight, besides controlled TKD. Hitting mitts or playing by rules ain't the same as an actual fluid fight against someone who's looking to fck you up. The only advantage he's have is with submissions, where I take it he has rolled a bit and is pretty flexible. But I doubt that alone would get him far in today's mma. Nice post though.

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Rogan isn't a joke. he's a solid brown belt in BJJ and does have a lot of martial arts experience. I think he could hang with a few 2nd tier guys in UFC but why would he? He's making way more money than most UFC fighters with what he's doing currently.
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Pfft.. hitting mitts and doing TKD doesn't mean jack for mma. I know a lot of people that hit mitts like it's their job but fall apart when it comes to a real mma fight. I don't doubt that Rogan could do decent in amateur mma, but at the UFC level he'd get killed. Nice post though.
Did you miss the part about Joe doing Kickboxing aswell as Muay Thai? Im sure that he has a very fine stand up game and great ground game aswell. Who says TKD doesnt mean jack? Ofcourse you wouldnt be able to take the straight style of TKD and transition it directly into MMA but thats not what your supposed to do You bring in elements from each and every aspect of your training such as the precision and finnese required in TKD and it adds to your MMA game as a whole.

I could see Joe beating guys like Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and even Chris Lytle posibly. Not to say these guys are very high level but ive seen videos of Joe rolling in the gym and he has damn good Jiu Jitsu. Though i eally dont think he wouldn go any higher than that.
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Did you miss the part about Joe doing Kickboxing aswell as Muay Thai? Im sure that he has a very fine stand up game and great ground game aswell. Who says TKD doesnt mean jack? Ofcourse you wouldnt be able to take the straight style of TKD and transition it directly into MMA but thats not what your supposed to do You bring in elements from each and every aspect of your training such as the precision and finnese required in TKD and it adds to your MMA game as a whole.

I could see Joe beating guys like Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and even Chris Lytle posibly. Not to say these guys are very high level but ive seen videos of Joe rolling in the gym and he has damn good Jiu Jitsu. Though i eally dont think he wouldn go any higher than that.
Joe's Kickboxing and Muay Thai experience seems resticted to the hitting pads and heavy bag at your local gym variety. He's never been in any amatuer match and there is no record of him even full contact sparring. While pad work helps build power and technique, that is like one tenth of what you need to actually get into the cage.

IMHO Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and especially Chris Lytle would work Rogan to a bloody pulp unless he managed to sub them. If Rogan was such a bad motherf****, we'd see at least one amatuer bout of some sort on his record, heck even just a kickboxing match. Please don't tell me "he doesn't need to, he makes so much money". At the amateur level, it's not about the money, it's about wanting to test yourself and see how good you are. As big as a fan of the sport as Rogan is, if he was as good as Bravo says, Rogan would be hard pressed to keep himself from at least getting ONE kickboxing match to prove something to himself. But as he is, he strikes me as someone who is very knowledgable about martial arts, but not a true fighter. I say again, he would get messed up in the UFC. People don't always realize what an elite level these guys are at, because they only see them competing against other elites. Your Joe Schmoe from local women's cardio kickboxing doesn't stand a chance against them. This isn't WWE, where your commentator/CEO can just pop some roids and hop in there with his guys to play pretend, this takes actual skill.

I'm gonna try not to get into another TKD sucks for mma/fighting argument. People always argue that while TKD can't be used for MMA by itself, you can always "incorporate" parts of it. My argument is, if it doesn't work, let's stop pretending that "parts" of it do because it's the default popular "convenient" MA that a lot of people (including myself) sink years of their life into. Name one TKD technique that you've seen used successfully in the cage.. and by successfully I mean it actually did some real damage. I can always point you out to tons of vids where guys trying some of those reckless TKD flying kicks got worked by an easy takedown, or those pitter-patter kicks just grabbed and swept easily. Rogan himself is very critical of un-cage-proven traditional MAs like TKD in the cage.

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Joe's Kickboxing and Muay Thai experience seems resticted to the hitting pads and heavy bag at your local gym variety. He's never been in any amatuer match and there is no record of him even full contact sparring. While pad work helps build power and technique, that is like one tenth of what you need to actually get into the cage.

IMHO Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and even Chris Lytle work work Rogan to a bloody pulp unless he managed to sub them. If Rogan was such a bad motherf****, we'd see at least one amatuer bout of some sort on his record, heck even just a kickboxing match. Please don't tell me "he doesn't need to blah blah he makes so much money". At the amateur level, it's not about the money, it's about wanting to test yourself and see how good you are. As big as a fan of the sport as Rogan is, if he was as good as Bravo says, Rogan would be hard pressed to keep himself from at least getting ONE kickboxing match to prove something to himself. But as he is, he strikes me as someone who is very knowledgable about martial arts, but not a true fighter. I say again, he would get messed up in the UFC. People don't always realize what an elite level these guys are at, because they only see them competing against other elites. Your Joe Schmoe from local women's cardio kickboxing doesn't stand a chance against them,

I'm not gonna try not to get into another TKD sucks for mma/fighting argument. People always argue that while TKD can't be used for MMA by itself, you can always "incorporate" parts of it. My argument is, if it doesn't work, let's stop pretending that it does because it's the default popular "convenient" MA that most people sink years of their life into. Name one TKD technique that you've seen used successfully in the cage.. and by successfully I mean it actually did some real damage. I can always point you out to tons of vids where guys trying some of those reckless TKD flying kicks got worked by an easy takedown.
when you hear Rogan saying "I personally rolled with (insert fighter here) and they have bad ass (insert skill here)" he's refering to full contact sparring and he's not joking.

Rogan has sparred with a wider variety of UFC fighters than pretty much anyone actually fighting in the UFC.
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He was a TKD champ as a lightweight and openweight as a kid. Ive seen that been bandied about a few threads here,s o he must be decent. Although there is no way he would go far in the UFC he would fail the drugs test
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when you hear Rogan saying "I personally rolled with (insert fighter here) and they have bad ass (insert skill here)" he's refering to full contact sparring and he's not joking.

Rogan has sparred with a wider variety of UFC fighters than pretty much anyone actually fighting in the UFC.
My take on that was that "rolled" usually means grappled, not striking. I'm pretty sure that's what he meant. Amd usually the <insert skill here> has always been BJJ or wrestling whenever I've heard. I don't doubt he's grappled with some of the best, that's his forte. It's his non TKD striking I'm calling into question here.
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He was a TKD champ as a lightweight and openweight as a kid. Ive seen that been bandied about a few threads here,s o he must be decent. Although there is no way he would go far in the UFC he would fail the drugs test
Exactly, as a kid. A martial art that lets 6 year old kids and 80 year old grandmas become black belts bears absolutely no relation to real fighting in my opinion.
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Joe's Kickboxing and Muay Thai experience seems resticted to the hitting pads and heavy bag at your local gym variety. He's never been in any amatuer match and there is no record of him even full contact sparring. While pad work helps build power and technique, that is like one tenth of what you need to actually get into the cage.

IMHO Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and especially Chris Lytle would work Rogan to a bloody pulp unless he managed to sub them. If Rogan was such a bad motherf****, we'd see at least one amatuer bout of some sort on his record, heck even just a kickboxing match. Please don't tell me "he doesn't need to, he makes so much money". At the amateur level, it's not about the money, it's about wanting to test yourself and see how good you are. As big as a fan of the sport as Rogan is, if he was as good as Bravo says, Rogan would be hard pressed to keep himself from at least getting ONE kickboxing match to prove something to himself. But as he is, he strikes me as someone who is very knowledgable about martial arts, but not a true fighter. I say again, he would get messed up in the UFC. People don't always realize what an elite level these guys are at, because they only see them competing against other elites. Your Joe Schmoe from local women's cardio kickboxing doesn't stand a chance against them. This isn't WWE, where your commentator/CEO can just pop some roids and hop in there with his guys to play pretend, this takes actual skill.

I'm not gonna try not to get into another TKD sucks for mma/fighting argument. People always argue that while TKD can't be used for MMA by itself, you can always "incorporate" parts of it. My argument is, if it doesn't work, let's stop pretending that "parts" of it do because it's the default popular "convenient" MA that a lot of people (including myself) sink years of their life into. Name one TKD technique that you've seen used successfully in the cage.. and by successfully I mean it actually did some real damage. I can always point you out to tons of vids where guys trying some of those reckless TKD flying kicks got worked by an easy takedown, or those pitter-patter kicks just grabbed and swept easily. Rogan himself is very critical of un-cage-proven traditional MAs like TKD in the cage.

Not getting into TKD anymore because i had an entire psot ready and i somehow deleted it so ill get to my main point which is. How can you possibly expect to know more about Joe Rogan than the person he trains with more than anyone who has more fighting experience than you probably ever will albeit in Jiu Jitsu only.

That and the fact that your judging his entire Muay Thai and kickboxing training off of one quote which does only cover one aspect of training which is hitting the mitts.
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