Originally Posted by Emericanaddict
Did you miss the part about Joe doing Kickboxing aswell as Muay Thai? Im sure that he has a very fine stand up game and great ground game aswell. Who says TKD doesnt mean jack? Ofcourse you wouldnt be able to take the straight style of TKD and transition it directly into MMA but thats not what your supposed to do You bring in elements from each and every aspect of your training such as the precision and finnese required in TKD and it adds to your MMA game as a whole.
I could see Joe beating guys like Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and even Chris Lytle posibly. Not to say these guys are very high level but ive seen videos of Joe rolling in the gym and he has damn good Jiu Jitsu. Though i eally dont think he wouldn go any higher than that.
Joe's Kickboxing and Muay Thai experience seems resticted to the hitting pads and heavy bag at your local gym variety. He's never been in any amatuer match and there is no record of him even full contact sparring. While pad work helps build power and technique, that is like one tenth of what you need to actually get into the cage.
IMHO Arroyo, Jess Liaudin, Jarred Rollins, Keita Nakamura, and especially Chris Lytle would work Rogan to a bloody pulp unless he managed to sub them. If Rogan was such a bad motherf****, we'd see at least one amatuer bout of some sort on his record, heck even just a kickboxing match. Please don't tell me "he doesn't need to, he makes so much money". At the amateur level, it's not about the money, it's about wanting to test yourself and see how good you are. As big as a fan of the sport as Rogan is, if he was as good as Bravo says, Rogan would be hard pressed to keep himself from at least getting ONE kickboxing match to prove something to himself. But as he is, he strikes me as someone who is very knowledgable about martial arts, but not a true fighter. I say again, he would get messed up in the UFC. People don't always realize what an elite level these guys are at, because they only see them competing against other elites. Your Joe Schmoe from local women's cardio kickboxing doesn't stand a chance against them. This isn't WWE, where your commentator/CEO can just pop some roids and hop in there with his guys to play pretend, this takes actual skill.
I'm gonna try not to get into another TKD sucks for mma/fighting argument. People always argue that while TKD can't be used for MMA by itself, you can always "incorporate" parts of it. My argument is, if it doesn't work, let's stop pretending that "parts" of it do because it's the default popular "convenient" MA that a lot of people (including myself) sink years of their life into. Name one TKD technique that you've seen used successfully in the cage.. and by successfully I mean it actually did some real damage. I can always point you out to tons of vids where guys trying some of those reckless TKD flying kicks got worked by an easy takedown, or those pitter-patter kicks just grabbed and swept easily. Rogan himself is very critical of un-cage-proven traditional MAs like TKD in the cage.