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Bazza89 · 10-16-2008, 10:18 AM

We've been waiting for you man.

I know what you mean about Jardine throwing in TD's. I think he's getting a bit like Chuck where people know what to expect from him. He's learning he just can't live off his awkward style just like Chuck can't just rely on his power anymore.

The difference is Keith's still got time to change whereas Chuck's a lot closer to retirement.

If he's gonna mix it up he better do it soon though cos he's not getting any younger.

K Powers · 10-16-2008, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by The Lone Wolf

This guy really grates me. He beat Forrest Griffin at a time when Griffins fights were "i'll hit you, you hit me, we'll see who drops first", and a dwindling Chuck Liddell, and he's all of a sudden developed a God complex.

Granted, he's not a bad fighter, he has an awkward technique coupled with good power. But he's FAR from an A plus fighter, and even further from perfection.

I REALLY hope Vera wins this fight

I completely agree.

**AmRiT** · 10-16-2008, 11:28 AM

What do you want him to say? I'm a terrible fighter that fluked a win over the champ and former champ?

With every fight I get worse? The UFC should definitely get rid of me because I can't really beat any of the top guys?

He would really market himself much better like that right?

**The Lone Wolf** · 10-16-2008, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by xAmRiT

What do you want him to say? I'm a terrible fighter that fluked a win over the champ and former champ?

With every fight I get worse? The UFC should definitely get rid of me because I can't really beat any of the top guys?

He would really market himself much better like that right?

I'd like him to stick with the real world is all. Its fine being confident, its even better when theres truth behind what you say, but he's getting far too carried away.

Blown away by Wandy, Beat down by Alexander. Alexander ffs! sure Houston hits hard, but no way does this guy EVER beat an "A plus fighter". Nuh uh.

I'm suprised Jardine manages to weigh in at 205 with an ego that size!!

Bazza89 · 10-16-2008, 11:36 AM

Yeah but theres a bit of a difference between saying somehing like your getting better everyfight (confident) and saying every fight brings you closer to perfection (cocky).

And it's not as if Keith is a fighter like BJ or Tito where a lot of what he says is for publicity. Lets face it he's not very marketable with or without these comments.

sk double i · 10-16-2008, 11:43 AM

He seems like a really laid back, calm, humble guy. I think you guys are taking his comments a diff way. All fighters have to be confident. What fighter wouldnt want to or think they were getting closer to perfection. It's a fine line bw arrogance and confidence but I think Jardine is on the confident side.

I also think Jardine is like a Houston Alexander. He has a couple of big wins, but will lose the next couple of fights against better opponents. I think this next fight against vera will tell all.

69nites · 10-16-2008, 11:47 AM

hang on a second here.....You're rooting for VERA because you think Jardine has an ego problem?

Vera has the largest ego:skillset ratio in MMA.

Bob Pataki · 10-16-2008, 11:47 AM

I don't hate Jardine, I just hate his f*cking entrance music

**The Lone Wolf** · 10-16-2008, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 69nites

hang on a second here.....You're rooting for VERA because you think Jardine has an ego problem?

Vera has the largest ego:skillset ratio in MMA.

That may be true, but Vera makes me laugh with his arrogance.

After the Sylvia fight - "did he whoop my ass? then i'm still a heavy weight, bitches"

After the Werdum fight "let me take that ass whooping and go to the second round!"

To me, he's likeable arrogant. Jardine is one of those guys i'd really like to punch in the face, but i know i wouldnt live long enough to enjoy it

**Green Scape** · 10-16-2008, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by sk double i

He seems like a really laid back, calm, humble guy. I think you guys are taking his comments a diff way. All fighters have to be confident. What fighter wouldnt want to or think they were getting closer to perfection. It's a fine line bw arrogance and confidence but I think Jardine is on the confident side.

I also think Jardine is like a Houston Alexander. He has a couple of big wins, but will lose the next couple of fights against better opponents. I think this next fight against vera will tell all.

I think this one's the unbiased version.

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Jardine Begins His Search for Consistency

By Thomas Gerbasi

When you’re winning in the UFC, there’s nothing like it in the world of mixed martial arts. Keith Jardine knows this fact better than most of his peers, especially after scoring victories over current light heavyweight champ Forrest Griffin and Chuck Liddell in high-profile bouts. But when you’re not on the winning side of the equation – a place where Jardine sits after being stopped by Wanderlei Silva in May - that’s an entirely different story.

“There’s nothing worse than sitting in a locker room after a fight knowing that you didn’t get a chance to fight,” said Jardine, reflecting on his one round loss to ‘The Axe Murderer’ at UFC 84. “I wanted to run it back out there and fight again as soon as possible, but things happen.”

Unfortunately for guys like Jardine, fighting isn’t like baseball or football. You lose a match and you don’t get to do it again five days or a week later. Redemption may take months - almost five months in Jardine’s case. And from the time your opponent’s hand is raised until you get the chance to step back into the Octagon, you’re likely to face almost daily questions from the media, your friends, your training partners, your family, and sometimes even yourself.

“Are you okay?”

“What happened?”

“Are you going to fight again?”

“Do you think you’re cut out for this?”

You can take these subtle verbal jabs any number of ways. You can get testy and fire back, you can take a long vacation, or you can lock yourself away from the world. Jardine responded to his second loss in three fights by going back to Greg Jackson’s gym in Albuquerque, New Mexico. There were no judgments there, only friends, one of which – Rashad Evans – had his own fight to get ready for against Chuck Liddell in September. Jardine, with a win over ‘The Iceman’ already, played a key role in helping Evans put together a gameplan, but in typical self-effacing fashion, Jardine says that “I was just a punching bag for about six, seven weeks, that’s all.”

Jardine was more than that though, and Evans is quick to back that sentiment up, telling UFC.com after his second round knockout of Liddell that “Jardine is a great help. I feel like a cheater because I feel like I have an unfair advantage over these guys. (Laughs) He definitely helps me out, he’s my brother through and through, and he’s a good coach as well. Jardine was in my corner that night, and he was coaching me the whole time.”

Ask Jardine about a life coaching mixed martial arts though, and the former Division II college football co-defensive coordinator scoffs at such a notion.

“I love helping out people that are already at a high level because there are only little tweaks to be made, but I’m not sure if I’m that good at teaching somebody from scratch,” he said. “And I’m not nearly done being a fighter, so I don’t like to think of that right now.”

On Saturday, the behind-the-scenes tactician returns to active duty, almost five months removed from his devastating loss to Silva. It’s not as soon as he would have liked to have been back, but he says, “I’m not complaining. I’m fighting in the co-main event on a huge card, so I’m in a really good place right now.”

His opponent at UFC 89 at the NIA in Birmingham, England is one familiar to fight fans and to Jardine. There are no tune-ups or confidence builders. Each fight is designed to separate the men from the boys, and that’s why Jardine decided to take the fight against Brandon Vera, another up and comer in need of an impressive victory. He could have asked for someone who wasn’t going to get in his face and throw punches at him like Silva or another old foe, Houston Alexander, did, just so he could get his feet wet again and ease back into combat. But that’s not Jardine’s way. If he’s lost any of his thirst for battle or is the tiniest bit gun-shy, he’ll find out immediately.

“Stylistically, I always want a guy who’s gonna stand up and bang with me, and this is just an all-around fun fight, the kinda fight that I like,” said Jardine of facing Vera. “There’s no way I could turn that down. Also, with my last fight, things didn’t work out so well, and now I’m fighting another top-ranked guy, so this will get rid of most of that bad taste out of my mouth.”

If he wins. And Jardine’s past history has shown that after each of his previous post-Ultimate Fighter losses in the UFC (to Alexander and Stephan Bonnar), he’s come back even stronger, which is bad news for Vera, who will be fighting at 205 pounds for only the second time in his career. But after a fairly lackluster decision win over Reese Andy in July, Vera should now be on solid footing at light heavyweight, at least according to Jardine.

“The first time I did it (cut from heavyweight to light heavyweight), I wasn’t fighting in the UFC, and you don’t know how your body is gonna react because you haven’t done it before,” said Jardine (13-5-1), who fought at heavyweight on season two of The Ultimate Fighter. “Then you start to get techniques and learn the little things that will help you out. The first time is gonna be hard for anybody, but I’m sure it’s gonna be a non-issue for this fight. I’m pretty confident about that.”

As for ‘The Dean of Mean’ himself, he’s not making bold predictions or talking about title shots and main events right now. He’ll save that for another day.

“That’s the UFC’s decision,” he said. “Ask me after a couple of fights.”

But what Jardine will admit is that the key to success at this level of the game isn’t about being great on one night – it’s about being great every night, and he knows that once he gets that consistency, then he’ll be ready to wear UFC gold around his waist.

“In my mind, I’m here because of the guys that I’ve beaten,” he said. “I’m an A plus fighter and I can beat anybody in this sport in my weight class on any given night. I’m just trying to get a little bit more dependable and to get rid of the holes in my game.”

He starts on Saturday night.

Keith's a cool guy, the way he markets himself (not the best) and way the UFC markets him (seems to be against fan-favorites) is a hard thing to overcome.

I really liked how he helped Evans out for Chuck with Jackson and still eats a slice of humble pie when we know he was the guinea pig for exploiting him, did what he was supposed to do and beat him. Just sounds like a nice guy to have around the camp. He may not be the best, and might be a gatekeeper but he's not a boring fighter, and played a huge part in mixing up the 205 top 5, solid opponent for anyone.

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