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Old 10-16-2008, 07:03 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I really cant stand Jardine. The more he talks, the more I hate him.

Regarding this fight, I think Vera is a little better everywhere than Jardine. But the clinch is where he will really have the advantage. His muay thai is very good and even though he isnt a black belt in bjj and Jardine is, I would still give Vera the advantage on the gound. Vera will use elbows when on the ground and knees when the fight is standing. Jardine got alot of scar tissue and expect Vera to cut him up real good. I hope Vera finishes him but I see him grinding out a solid decision and putting him right into contention at LHW. Id like too see him fight the winner of Page and Wand.
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Old 10-16-2008, 11:43 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Ill probably repeat stuff said here already.. but..

I dont see how jardine stand up is great.

Effective, in some way yes, i guess. But throwing brawling punches only to finish with a low kick all the time can only work for so long.

And standup is his only weapon, or at least the one he uses the most.

His best wins, standing, are over fighters with worse standup than him, technique wise(at least at the time for Forrest). Chuck is what jardine will be in a few years, a used to be strong striker with no techniques.

Add his age to that, I dont even understand how he can or will be a A+ fighter any day.

However, hes a very solid fighter, and all that talk about him being a cocky person or whatever is complete bs. Im sure it was mentionned somewhere, but do you expect him to say hes a D- fighter? And yes, he is getting better everytime, hes mixed up his standing a little more, hes quicker on his feet(although still pretty slow).

Against Vera, its all about how Vera will fight. An aggressive Vera will probably go either way, but id go with Vera, hes just more precise. But any other boring way by Vera, i think Vera will just take it, unless Jardine starts taking him down when Vera clinches with him and does nothing.
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Old 10-17-2008, 05:44 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Wow whoever started this thread is like a politician. You take quotes or statistics out of context in order to put a spin on it so it fits your version of the truth. Jardine is actually really laid back and humble. If you saw the whole interview you would see that. I hope Jardine knocks Vera out.
Sorry, but how have i taken this out of context and put a spin on it?

I've quoted the guy, word for word, and stated that i dont agree with what he's saying.

Nor have i said he's a prat throughout the whole interview, just that the two examples i used infuriate me, and in my opinion are far fetched nonsense. So i've really not put a spin on anything.

Sure i hate the guy, and will sink my teeth into anything he says which i disagree with, but the quotes are straight from the lions mouth, so. . .
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:50 AM   #34 (permalink)
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I would say Jardine is overrated, but I don't know anyone who rates him. His stand-up is average at best and his ground game, well, I haven't see alot of it.
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Old 10-17-2008, 11:06 AM   #35 (permalink)
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Jardine isn't particularly good at any discipline in mma....his striking is good, but not great, his ground game is good, but not great, his wrestling is good but not great....but he is tough as balls. He's been thrown in their with some guys that pack alot of heat and has failed miserably, but from what I've seen, he can take punches from guys with power like nothing....

look at his fight vs. wilson....first round he was getting recked badly....but he battles back to win a UD.

against chuck, he took some right hands on the jaw...but he continued to battle

he's ALOT like forrest griffin actually, cept forrest has chosen to start using his ground game more often...which is something i hope to see jardine do in the future
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Jardine isn't particularly good at any discipline in mma....his striking is good, but not great, his ground game is good, but not great, his wrestling is good but not great....but he is tough as balls. He's been thrown in their with some guys that pack alot of heat and has failed miserably, but from what I've seen, he can take punches from guys with power like nothing....

look at his fight vs. wilson....first round he was getting recked badly....but he battles back to win a UD.

against chuck, he took some right hands on the jaw...but he continued to battle

he's ALOT like forrest griffin actually, cept forrest has chosen to start using his ground game more often...which is something i hope to see jardine do in the future
But with that said he doesn't have a great chin. I mean Wanderlei and Houston showed that.

I don't think he has a glass jaw but I wouldn't say his chin is a strength.

I don't think Jardine is that great but that's because where you see everything being good I see everything being average.

I don't think Jardine is near the level of grappling Forrest is.

I don't see Jardine hanging with the top strikers at 205 besides Liddell who is a different type of striker then anyone else.

I don't think he can beat the top grapplers I mean on his back I don't think he stands a chance against 205's best grapplers.
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Old 10-17-2008, 02:54 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Keith is usually overly-softspoken, and humble.

The closer to perfection most likely just refers to "The Path to Perfection"- like the never-ending journey always seeking to attain it though it is unattainable.
With that in mind, and this is a philosphy not uncommon to many schools of fighting, it doens't mean Jardine is arrogant- it just means he assumes we all know the same things he does.

And yes, the original poster quoted out of context, since he did not add all of the last sentence.
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Old 10-17-2008, 03:12 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I have Jardine winning this fight because:

1. I am not ready to right him off on any level because of the Wandy and Houston losses. There were two separate reasons for each of the fights. Jardine has learned 1. Don't underestimate a nameless last minute replacement. 2. Beating Chuck is impressive but it doesn't make you superman, only superman should stand in front of Wandy and trade. There is a difference between executing a striking game plan against your opponent (Jardine/Chuck) and standing in front of Wandy Silva.

2. Jardine has proven he can win "the big fight" and he has also shown us he can lose big. Vera has only shown the ability to highlight reel mid level talent and post-accident Mir. Both times he was given a Top 10 opponent, he was dispensed of easily. I can only listen so much to someone say what they "shoulda/coulda/woulda" done against Werdum when they were being handled so easily.

So where are we now? People are saying Reese Andy is legit which is understandable considering how well he did against Vera.....I look forward to Andy's big run in the UFC LHW division.

3. Jardine fights for Greg Jackson and Vera isn't a hard fghter to figure out. The strategy may not look like Chuck/Jardine but Greg Jackson will formulate a good one and Keith has shown he can execute...inconsistently but he can.

4. We all thought it, Dana White thinks it too: Vera is a changed fighter since being brought back to face Tim Sylvia. Its one thing to come out to the octagon slapping high 5's with the fans and laughing because you know that all you have to do is KO Justin Eilers. Its another thing to face real talent. Vera has shown through his 2 of his last 3 cautious boring performances that a big name fighter can get in his head. Blame it on the weight cut or whatever but the fact is Vera fought Reese Andy like he fought Sylvia and Werdum except he won b/c it was Reese Andy.

5. No one should argue that the longer this fight goes, the more it favors Jardine. How hard is it to extend the fight against a hesistant fighter and I don't think 2006 Vera is showing up. He hasn't in a long time, there have been alot of distractions. For this fight its that Vera got robbed at gunpoint in someone's home a week or so ago.
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Jardine is gonna tKo Veras overrated ass and send him out of the UFC, and it shall be glorious. Then he'll plrobably go on to get Ko'd by Irvin or something.
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imo jardine is going to beat vera.

Neither fighter is particularly a favorite of mine. But vera has changed, and I honestly don't think the right place for him is LHW. After this fight ill have more to go on.

Jardine is a good fighter. But not one of the best. I do enjoy his fights, hes a brawler and he brings it.
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