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Captain Stupid 10-16-2008 10:51 AM

Would anyone like to see the hevyweight division divided up a bit?
 
Just curious to see what people thought about the weight requirements of the heavyweight division. Weight classes generally come in increments of 15lbs or so until it hits heavyweight where there's a massive differential of 60lbs!!! I get the impression it kind of screws some fighters where they can't cut enough to be light heavyweight and sit at the lighter end of the heavyweight scale.
Also if there was a new division what would it be called and how would you restructure the division e.g. what weight range would you make up?
And lastly do you see this as being a possible answer to possibly making the higher weight divisions more competitive and why?

Discuss...

Arlovski_Fan 10-16-2008 10:59 AM

I think that if the UFC were to add/divide any weight, they should make a 190/195 lb division. That would be great :thumb02:

browncow 10-16-2008 11:00 AM

The talent pool at HW is shallow enough as it is. Dividing it up further would only serve to weaken it that much more.

The Lone Wolf 10-16-2008 11:04 AM

I dont think theres enough talented fighters in the heavywieght division to gain anything substantial from dividing the weight class. All that would do is spread the division even thinner, and creating an equally as weak "super heavyweight" division, or whatever it would be called.

I can totally understand what youre saying about some bigger guys having a 50lb plus weight advantage, but i just dont think its practical enough to pull off.

Plus i kinda like the fact that MMA only has a few weight classes, i hate the weight classification in boxing, theres just no need for so many

Bazza89 10-16-2008 11:13 AM

I've always been for a 225lb division but as people have said the UFC's talent pool at HW just doesn't have the resource. I think this would be a great idea if the UFC had the majority of MMAs top HW talent, much like they do at 205 but right now it just isn't practical.

I'd love a 225 division for fighters who don't have the frame to compete at HW and just get bullied around by people weighing 280lbs come fight time. I also like the fact that MMA only has a few weight classes compared to boxing but this is the only one I'd like to add. Perhaps in a few years when MMA/the UFC is more established probably with a larger roster but right now it's just not feasible IMO.

Captain Stupid 10-16-2008 11:16 AM

I realise the talent pool at heavyweight is thin already. My argument though is that there are a lot of natural 220 - 230lb fighters floating around at light heavyweight. Too light to be fighting guys like lesnar or sylvia, and cutting weight making them weak at 205lbs. Talking guys like Couture and Vera here. Geez half the light heavyweight division could move up here. I've even seen pics of Forrest Griffin after a few months off floating around 240 lbs. So i think there may be a definite class at that weight. Imagine Arlovski cuting to 230lbs, would be unreal! Of course where this leaves the "super heavyweights" i have no idea...
Just more or less trying to think of a way of getting away from these guys who are good fighters just because they are bigger than their opponent. I'd rather see athletic fit fighters who know their craft. The heavyweight division is a real shambles at the moment and needs some looking at.

Liddellianenko 10-16-2008 11:21 AM

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No. Heck, I'm actually for raising the 265lb cap and seeing some real monsters in there, like Pride had. I like the concept of the HW division being the real balls to the wall class, for those really wanting to be the best of the best. Guys on the smaller side can always cut weight or utilize their speed advantage.

I'm so sick of babysitting fighters and giving every one a different weight class to be a champ, like boxing's million weight classes, it's so irrelevant. That's what makes Fedor the undisputed king of mma IMO, is the fact that he's a relatively small fighter in an uncapped weight division (in most of the world) and he still rapes everyone he faces.

BrianRClover 10-16-2008 11:50 AM

The point has been made about the shallow talent pool in the HW division, and this is very true. But on the other hand, I think if they did make a 225 class, you would have a good amount of the VERY stacked LHW move there.
Liddell,
Couture,
Vera,
Forrest if he weren't champ,
And many others I'm sure, but I've heard that all these guys walk around well over 230

Leaving the 225+ Class to guys like Kongo, Lesnar, Herring, Nog, Mir, and so forth.

So I think it would be a good move. I also think it would allow for more title fight main events. It seems like about every 3rd or 4th UFC these days has a non title fight main event. I'm guessing to give champions time off since they've been doing events all most monthly or even every three weeks. With one more belt, you could really cut down on the non title main events.

Anyway, those are my thoughts

Fieos 10-16-2008 12:00 PM

I'm torn on this... I think having a wider weight division adds credibility to champions; I also think that eventually when all other things are equal, a weight disparity of 40-50lbs is a little extreme.

I think eventually it would need to be reviewed, but there just isn't that deep of a heavy-weight division in any organization anymore that would benefit from such a change at this time.

I would like to see a super-heavyweight division added so that we can see some big guys thump skulls. I just don't think the draw is there because historically 265+ guys weren't shredded and marketable. I think this is starting to change.

I walk around at 6'6" and 240lbs and I'm definitely not one of the big guys at the gym. I think when we see more Brock Lesnar-types enter MMA we'll see some weight changes.

The sport will evolve with the fighters.

AmRiT 10-16-2008 12:45 PM

220 lbs would be good if they were to divide it..

or, make LHW 200 lbs, and HW 215 and a SHW as 220+


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