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post #1 of 9 (permalink) Old 10-19-2008, 03:12 AM Thread Starter
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tired of fighters fighting for points

look at chris lytle.... that uk dude was willing to bang for 3 rounds if they would stop leaning on the god dam fence.

and in the last 30 sec. of a round chris corner said take him down.. for what? ur not gonna submit him... obviously its just for points..

taking someone down doesn't physcially hurt anyone. usually its quite soft. whos the dumbass who made it a rule to give points to a take down. all it does is encourage this behavior..

sometimes they just take him down with no plans to do anything.. just for points!

remember cung le in his kick boxing league? all he did was do retarded sissor kicks that would take ppl down.. for points! it didn't hurt anyone.. the crowd actually boo'ed.
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look at chris lytle.... that uk dude was willing to bang for 3 rounds if they would stop leaning on the god dam fence.

and in the last 30 sec. of a round chris corner said take him down.. for what? ur not gonna submit him... obviously its just for points..

taking someone down doesn't physcially hurt anyone. usually its quite soft. whos the dumbass who made it a rule to give points to a take down. all it does is encourage this behavior..

sometimes they just take him down with no plans to do anything.. just for points!

remember cung le in his kick boxing league? all he did was do retarded sissor kicks that would take ppl down.. for points! it didn't hurt anyone.. the crowd actually boo'ed.
Well if there wasent a score point system i would 100% agree with you. But a score system does exist and ofcourse it makes sense for a takedown to score you points. This is MMA, you supposed to be able to defend the takedown and if your not well then the other guy should definitely get a point. Its not like the other guy cant do the same thing.
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look at chris lytle.... that uk dude was willing to bang for 3 rounds if they would stop leaning on the god dam fence.

and in the last 30 sec. of a round chris corner said take him down.. for what? ur not gonna submit him... obviously its just for points..

taking someone down doesn't physcially hurt anyone. usually its quite soft. whos the dumbass who made it a rule to give points to a take down. all it does is encourage this behavior..

sometimes they just take him down with no plans to do anything.. just for points!

remember cung le in his kick boxing league? all he did was do retarded sissor kicks that would take ppl down.. for points! it didn't hurt anyone.. the crowd actually boo'ed.
I wouldnt say Lytle was going for points when he was leaning on the fence, I think he was trying to get his breath before gassing. And he did try to finish the fight many times in the fight, so if you can't KO the guy, might as well try to get some points.

But you're right that takedowns shouldnt be scored as high as they are.
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This is a sport! this is not sport entertainment, in sports you trie to win, in sports entertainment it doesnt matter.

You should appriciate when fighters fight smart to win since that the whole point of it, if you dont like it i advise you to take a look at professional wrestling.
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I actually agree with the TS. Getting scores for takedowns favors wrestlers and I guess that's why the rule exists, but I don't think you should get points for a takedown unless it's a slam.

The reason for going for a takedown should be to be able to do some GnP or a submission attempt. If you take a guy down without inflicting any damage during the takedown and then aren't able to do any damage on the ground, there should be no points.

If you take a guy down and he has to struggle to get back to his feet, it will tire him out a bit, so if a fighter thinks it's worth it, he should go for it, but not for the points. A fighter with no ground game taking down a BJJ black belt at the end of the round because he knows there isn't enough time left for the other guy to submit him... that shouldn't be rewarded.

I don't blame fighters for using the rules to score points, but I think this rule should be changed.
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No it shouldn't. Should outgrappling someone without hurting them not score you points? The same goes for wrestling.

This is a sport. The object is to win, not hurt your opponent. We don't award more points for punches that break a fighters nose than one which land cleanly.
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ur right.. its not wrestling so stop scoring it like it is, this is mma. or real fighting, that means the sport of hurting the other guy.. TheNegation is ******... the object is to not hurt ur oponnent? lol what sport u watching. go watch badminton then or golf.

its retarded how one guy gets beat up.. takes another guy down and somehow its even. this point system only encourages this stupid behavior..

what if the other guy just doesn't like taking him down.. not his style. yet he feels obligated to do it just to catch up. this favors people who likes doing this.. then a take down defense point should be awarded if u wanna play it like that.

it usually results in no action, and the other fighter just being annoyed that he lost a point for a takedown that did no damage. esp for the fans once their down they dont do shit. and the other guy has to catch up by doing the same thing.. this makes it a stupid boring catch up fight.

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Let's all remember this is M-M-A. Scoring points for TD's is part of the nature of the sport. You also "score" points for stand-up striking and submission attempts. it's about controlling the fight, and imposing your will. if a guy can stand and trade, but can't defend takedowns, is he winning? On the flipside, if a guy can take another guy down and not do much with it what happens? They get stood up, and it's back to striking. if a certain fighter is good at bringing the fight to the ground and the other is not...well who's fault is that? All fighters need to work all aspects of the game for continued success. what i do feel needs to be done with the rules is this: If a guy can take another guy down repeatedly, FINE. But if he can't do much with it in about a minute or so it should be disregarded. TD are part of what needs to happen for some fighters to win...but it's just a vehicle, for subs or GNP.

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ur right.. its not wrestling so stop scoring it like it is, this is mma. or real fighting, that means the sport of hurting the other guy.. TheNegation is retarded... the object is to not hurt ur oponnent? lol what sport u watching. go watch badminton then or golf.

its retarded how one guy gets beat up.. takes another guy down and somehow its even. this point system only encourages this stupid behavior..

what if the other guy just doesn't like taking him down.. not his style. yet he feels obligated to do it just to catch up. this favors people who likes doing this.. then a take down defense point should be awarded if u wanna play it like that.

it usually results in no action, and the other fighter just being annoyed that he lost a point for a takedown that did no damage. esp for the fans once their down they dont do shit. and the other guy has to catch up by doing the same thing.. this makes it a stupid boring catch up fight.

No, no it isn't. Hence the ref stops fights even without a tap out during dangerous submissions, hence the point system etc. etc.

You are a troll. This is my last post in this thread.
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