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Old 10-26-2006, 07:34 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I don't think that he's an idiot at all.

I thinkn that BJ Penn has the potential to be one of the greatest MMA fighters of all time, but he won't do anything to get there. I know that he has trained to get where he is, but he won't take it to the next level. He is one of the best BJJ artists in the world and has hands that can knock out guys MUCH bigger than him. He can defend the shoot like a gold metal wrestler and can get back up like no one else when he is taken down.

Most of his wins are two rounds or less. If it gets past that he's suspect to say the least. Look at his record.

Loss Matt Hughes TKO (Strikes) UFC 63-Hughes vs Penn 9/23/2006 3 3:53
Loss Georges St. Pierre Decision (Split) UFC 58-USA vs Canada 3/4/2006 3 5:00
Win Renzo Gracie Decision (Unanimous) K-1-World Grand Prix Hawaii 7/29/2005 3 5:00
Loss Ryoto Machida Decision (Unanimous) K-1-Hero's 1 3/26/2005 3 5:00
Win Rodrigo Gracie Decision (Unanimous) ROTR 6-Rumble on the Rock 6 11/20/2004 3 5:00
Win Duane Ludwig Submission (Arm Triangle Choke) K-1 MMA-ROMANEX 5/22/2004 1 1:45
Win Matt Hughes Submission (Rear Naked Choke) UFC 46-Supernatural 1/31/2004 1 4:39
Win Takanori Gomi Submission (Rear Naked Choke) ROTR 4-Rumble on the Rock 4 10/10/2003 3 2:35
Draw Caol Uno Draw UFC 41-Onslaught 2/28/2003 5 5:00
Win Matt Serra Decision (Unanimous) UFC 39-The Warriors Return 9/27/2002 3 5:00
Win Paul Creighton TKO (Strikes) UFC 37-High Impact 5/10/2002 2 3:23
Loss Jens Pulver Decision (Majority) UFC 35-Throwdown 1/11/2002 5 5:00
Win Caol Uno KO (Punches) UFC 34-High Voltage 11/2/2001 1 0:11
Win Din Thomas TKO (Strikes) UFC 32-Showdown in the Meadowlands 6/29/2001 1 2:42
Win Joey Gilbert TKO (Strikes) UFC 31-Locked & Loaded 5/4/2001 1 4:57
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:36 PM   #12 (permalink)
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His conditioning looked fine against Hughes.
You kidding? He burned himself up when he thought he had Hughes in the armbar/choke. In fact I'll state he could have finished him there with some more strength and cardio.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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His conditioning looked fine against Hughes.

It was against GSP where he was fat and burned his energy off in the first.
I don't care what the judges said, Penn beat GSP in that fight. GSP's face looked like hamburger after the fight. GSP's a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but Penn, gasing or not, punished GSP.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:39 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't think that he's an idiot at all.
Thanks man, I was gonna go take one of those internet IQ tests AND SHOVE IT IN HIS FACE.
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I don't care what the judges said, Penn beat GSP in that fight. GSP's face looked like hamburger after the fight. GSP's a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but Penn, gasing or not, punished GSP.
That is one of the finer points of a ten point must system. You can't win the whole fight in one round without finishing it.

And the two shots that made him look that way were an eye poke and an uppercut that clipped the tip of the nose. I have watched that fight ten times and I still have it on DVR at home. GSP won that fight with the last two rounds with out a doubt.
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When Penn is on he is one of the most incredible fighters out there ever. Hughes is great. I give total respect for hughes he finished him off in perfect hughes fashion, whether penn was injured or not. But (and you can call me crazy), I think Penn beat george pierre. I would have rather been Penn having cocktails afer the fight then be in my hospital bed like george st.pierre.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:44 PM   #17 (permalink)
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That is one of the finer points of a ten point must system. You can't win the whole fight in one round without finishing it.

And the two shots that made him look that way were an eye poke and an uppercut that clipped the tip of the nose. I have watched that fight ten times and I still have it on DVR at home. GSP won that fight with the last two rounds with out a doubt.
Even Matt Hughes told Dana after the last horn sounded that GSP won the fight.
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I don't care what the judges said, Penn beat GSP in that fight. GSP's face looked like hamburger after the fight. GSP's a great fighter, don't get me wrong, but Penn, gasing or not, punished GSP.
Lol, did you see my avatar, do you think I'm going to agree with you?

How exactly did Penn win either of the second or third rounds? I don't know how you can make that argument.
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Old 10-26-2006, 07:58 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Yadda yadda yadda, that's what I see in most of the people, "if BJ did this, if BJ wasn't that." Yeah, what if Matt Hughes was hit by a truck before the fight?

Excuses are just bridges to nowhere, injuries are part of fighting, in my opinion, you watch that fight and you see a fatigued man in BJ Penn.

He was winning rounds 1 and 2, definitely, but in a 5 round fight, you gotta be prepared for every round.
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Afer the fight the cameras showed hughes and dana and they both looked relieved that george got the decision.
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