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**Steve-d** · 10-27-2006, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Damone

Hughes definitely deserves some credit in that second BJ fight. He weathered a vicious storm, and capitalized. BJ got injured, but he still lost the fight, guys. Hughes finished someone who hasn't been finished before. I think Hughes should get atleast some credit.

i am gonna regret posting this because i dont want to start a war but here i go.

Why credit? he finsihed an injurjed bj penn then could barly move without pain nevermind push the weight of hughes off of him.

He has never been finished while 100%!

Could matt hughes finish a 100% Bj penn, personally i think not.

BigBanda · 10-27-2006, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Steve-d

i am gonna regret posting this because i dont want to start a war but here i go.

Why credit? he finsihed an injurjed bj penn then could barly move without pain nevermind push the weight of hughes off of him.

He has never been finished while 100%!

Could matt hughes finish a 100% Bj penn, personally i think not.

Agreed

Squeetard · 10-27-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve-d

Could matt hughes finish a 100% Bj penn, personally i think not.

I agree also, I paid $40 for the PPV hoping to see BJ submit Matt Hughes AGAIN. Only to see him gas after the first round AGAIN.

BJ says he SEPARATED a rib. Not broke. I have separated ribs before, once while fighting and once while snowboarding. It hurts, the doc says, hmmmmm, looks fine to me, probably just separated, go easy for a few weeks. It's an unprovable injury like whiplash.

If BJ did the injury himself, without taking a shot, then he was definitely out of shape. I love the guy, I just whish he'd do a bit more prep work and show up in better shape.

AtomDanger · 10-27-2006, 01:38 PM

while we are on the subject of Bj Penn, his loss to GSP was a joke.
GSP got some take downs, I know that is worth more points, but GSP didn't really do anything to him, at all....

AtomDanger · 10-27-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Squeetard

I agree also, I paid $40 for the PPV hoping to see BJ submit Matt Hughes AGAIN. Only to see him gas after the first round AGAIN.

BJ says he SEPARATED a rib. Not broke. I have separated ribs before, once while fighting and once while snowboarding. It hurts, the doc says, hmmmmm, looks fine to me, probably just separated, go easy for a few weeks. It's an unprovable injury like whiplash.

If BJ did the injury himself, without taking a shot, then he was definitely out of shape. I love the guy, I just whish he'd do a bit more prep work and show up in better shape.

Alright.. For the deaf in the room.....

He fractured a rib, look at the medical report. He said he fealt ribs seperate, that was before he saw a dr....
secondly, he didn't gas after the first round, he lost in the 3rd round.

thevarsmolta · 10-27-2006, 01:58 PM

BJ Penn is by no means a waste of talent. He's called "The Prodigy" for a reason. I think any long-time MMA fan would know that. But he does lack a certain amount of drive and/or conditioning it takes to win fights in the UFC. Almost every fighter will admit, conditioning is everything in the sport, and BJ simply doesn't have that.

He's got devastating strikes, but rarely lands anything good. Come to think of it, the last good punch I saw him land, was the one that beat Hughes. But as mentioned, he has little conditioning, and that's what loses fights for him.

I don't see how people can say he beat GSP. Penn won the first round. But GSP clearly won the second and third. If you see it otherwise, you need to stop being biased and giving your boy double points for every shot he lands. St. Pierre landed some better shots, had more takedowns, and was on top of Penn for the most part. What did BJ do besides break his nose in the first?

AtomDanger · 10-27-2006, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thevarsmolta

BJ Penn is by no means a waste of talent. He's called "The Prodigy" for a reason. I think any long-time MMA fan would know that. But he does lack a certain amount of drive and/or conditioning it takes to win fights in the UFC. Almost every fighter will admit, conditioning is everything in the sport, and BJ simply doesn't have that.

He's got devastating strikes, but rarely lands anything good. Come to think of it, the last good punch I saw him land, was the one that beat Hughes. But as mentioned, he has little conditioning, and that's what loses fights for him.

I don't see how people can say he beat GSP. Penn won the first round. But GSP clearly won the second and third. If you see it otherwise, you need to stop being biased and giving your boy double points for every shot he lands. St. Pierre landed some better shots, had more takedowns, and was on top of Penn for the most part. What did BJ do besides break his nose in the first?

Ok wait, you watched the Penn GSP fight, but havent seen him land a punch since he beat hughes?
lol
DId you not see GSP's face during and after the fight? Penn obviously was landing punches. lol

thevarsmolta · 10-27-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomDanger

Ok wait, you watched the Penn GSP fight, but havent seen him land a punch since he beat hughes?
lol
DId you not see GSP's face during and after the fight? Penn obviously was landing punches. lol

Don't get me wrong, he's obviously landing punches. But he's given a lot of credit for knockout ability, and I think that's a bit of a stretch. He never rocked GSP. Never put him in a situation where he had to recover. That's all I meant.

But in the Hughes fight, he landed that big shot that made it possible for him to get the choke.

There's no doubt that Penn is in fact a good striker. He should just try to use it a lot more to his advantage. He's got possibly the best hands in the Welterweight class.

AtomDanger · 10-27-2006, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by thevarsmolta

Don't get me wrong, he's obviously landing punches. But he's given a lot of credit for knockout ability, and I think that's a bit of a stretch. He never rocked GSP. Never put him in a situation where he had to recover. That's all I meant.

But in the Hughes fight, he landed that big shot that made it possible for him to get the choke.

There's no doubt that Penn is in fact a good striker. He should just try to use it a lot more to his advantage. He's got possibly the best hands in the Welterweight class.

Alright, then yeah I agree, he didn't rock GSP.
I was actually disapointed with the whole fight, with those two names I was hoping to see a lot more. GSP had 4 good take downs in the last 2 rounds, but didn't seem to be able to do much with them.
and Penn.... Well Penn just played defense and threw in little stuff.
I don't deny that GSP won,
fair and square, the judges had it right.. I just think it was a bullshit win.
and GSP shouldn't be all proud and talking like he kicked Penn's ass

thevarsmolta · 10-27-2006, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by AtomDanger

Alright, then yeah I agree, he didn't rock GSP.
I was actually disapointed with the whole fight, with those two names I was hoping to see a lot more. GSP had 4 good take downs in the last 2 rounds, but didn't seem to be able to do much with them.
and Penn.... Well Penn just played defense and threw in little stuff.
I don't deny that GSP won,
fair and square, the judges had it right.. I just think it was a bullshit win.
and GSP shouldn't be all proud and talking like he kicked Penn's ass

Yeah, that's pretty much how I'd sum up the fight too. That seems to be the case with BJ, and my main deterant to liking him much. His game is almost too defensive. With BJJ skills like that, he should put them more on the offensive. At this point, he only really uses it to avoid beatings. Then he tries to use his stand-up for the offensive. Although he can throw bombs, so there's nothing wrong with that. But a guy with his Jiu Jitsu skills should go into a fight with a submission in mind, not a knock out.

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