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post #11 of 31 (permalink) Old 10-20-2008, 06:18 PM
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The perceived negatives about Brock Lesnar's previous "career choices" are well documented, so I won't repeat them here. What I will say, however, is that his physical gifts are second to none in the heavyweight division

1. his hands: there's no one in mixed martial arts who wears 4XL gloves. No one, that is, except Brock Lesnar and HongMan Choi and the latter is quite a bit taller than 6'3", eh?

2. his reach: 81", which is longer than Sylvia, at 6' 8"

3. his power is overwhelming. Frank Mir was so overwhelmed by his strength, he couldn't even recall what he was trying to do in the match against Lesnar.

When you combine Brock's power with his leverage with the sheer size of his hands, you get devastating knockout power. Herring, who is by no means a small heavyweight, tumbled backwards nearly 360 degrees after the FIRST punch of the bout.

4. speed: again, Mir was startled by how quickly Brock Lesnar, at 280+, moves.

5. Although this is not much of a factor in MMA, if at all, citing this stat simply gives you a sense of how athletic this big man is. Lesnar's vertical leap is 36". This is the type of vertical leap seen in hall of fame basketball players: Kobe Bryant's (best basketball player on the planet) vertical leap is 38" for example.

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Mark my words, if Brock Lesnar ever gets serious about adding BJJ to his fight game, it's over. He will lose fights, to be sure (after all, he only has three pro bouts under his belt), but everyone of his opponents will get seriously hurt in the process.

With his wrestling, striking, unparalleled physical gifts in his division, and the potential to add BJJ and even some muy thai knee strikes, he could become a dominant force for the next five years in MMA.
Quoted because there is a lot of truth in this post. His physcial abilities will help him close the experience gap that almost all of his opponents will have over him. If he ever makes any big leaps in his training he could go from top 10 to top 5. The big problem he will have is most of the top 5 guys are BJJ guys who don't mind being on their back. Lesnar's career is up in the air right now, you can't feed him cans as he is beating legitimate fighters and he would probably turn the fight down, but he is going to quickly hit a wall in the name of experience and bjj. We will see if he can get over the wall or not.
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Just a note Shane Carwin has size 5XL gloves.

Aaronyman gave a pretty good overview of his skills.
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How good is Brock Lesnar? So so, but his physical ability negates a lot of his technical inability. He has the wrestling ability and base to control just about anyone on the ground, he's strong enough to hulk his way out of most submissions, and he hits hard enough to drop anyone. His chin is still a bit of a question mark but it's being proven more and more, his standup is still a question mark but he's clearly got power in his hands, his agility is not only insane for someone his size but possibly the best in the HW division, and his cardio is pretty damn good. It's still impossible to say how good he is, but it's certain he's good enough to be the best with more experience. I'm going to say in March we will know exactly how good he is.
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Just wondering how his chin is being proven more and more? He hasn't been hit good once.

Being an amazing physical talent doesn't mean you have a good chin look at Sokky.
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yeah we know nothing about lesnar's chin right now. honestly he hasn't even fought any good strikers yet. Herring is an ok striker, but he never really got a chance to land any shots so that fight showed us nothing about Lesnar's chin except that he is able to execute a takedown with KOing himself.

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Lesnar is better than I thought, I'll admit that but I think you are giving him too much credit if you are favouring him to beat the likes of AA or Werdum. I think he is very vulnerable to subs from anyone with a decent ground game, he is sloppy standing and I think he will gas badly as soon has he has to go any distance where someone is actually fighting back.

He does have serious potential because of his size and speed but I think he is still at least a year or two away from moving up the ranks.
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yeah we know nothing about lesnar's chin right now. honestly he hasn't even fought any good strikers yet. Herring is an ok striker, but he never really got a chance to land any shots so that fight showed us nothing about Lesnar's chin except that he is able to execute a takedown with KOing himself.
lol as herring walked in, goldy said Herring's striking was right up their w/ the best of the HW division haha

lesnar got hit w/ an uppercut in round 3 against herring, he backed off, and took herring down....he at least can take some punishment....but couture will probably hit him enough to test his chin
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Couture doesn't have great power either to be honest.

I'm not sure how he would hold up against. Carwin, Arlovski, Fedor or any other HW wih true power.

Herring isn't a very good striker he's solid but nothing special at all.
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2. his reach: 81", which is longer than Sylvia, at 6' 8"
You have to remember that reach is fingertip to fingertip so his reach is so big because of the size of his chest. It is still probably pretty good but nothing you wouldnt find in most other heavyweights.

As to how good he is, well we don't know a whole lot much. His one fight against Mir, he looked like he had tonnes of potential and just needed some experience I was really impressed after this fight. Then the Herring fight, well he didnt look to great at all imo. He used his sheer size and strenght to hold a very average fighter on the ground for 15 minutes. He landed a huge bomb but that was it. Aaronyman had his skills summed up pretty good and another poster made a good point about his cardio. That body is going to need a lot of oxygen to keep going and after seeing the Herring fight I would say his cardio is very suspect.
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Fedor will not fight standing if he face Lesnar. Lesnar might tackle Fedor out of the ring or against the fence. Fedor will absolutely take Lesnar to the ground and go for a submission.

Fedor will win!
I should mention that Kenny Florian and Franklin Mcneil both said on mma live that they thought Lesnar was the guy who could give Fedor the most problems. Also the idea that he could take Lesnar down is simply ridiculous.
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