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Old 10-27-2008, 08:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The winner of the BJ Penn vs GSP should be crowned the best P4P fighter in the world, especially if it Penn

GSP destroyed Jon Fitch, who had been beating all the WW's UFC had to offer, and beat him with ease... GSP has beaten everyone he has fought, Serra got lucky and GSP proved that by spanking him in their last fight

Penn dropped to 155, which is his natural weight class and destroyed 1 good and 1 great LW's with ease, Sherk had looked unbeatable at 155 until Penn beat him, and he beat him badly...

Other than Pulver, Penn has only lost to fighters above his weight class, and 3 great fighters above his weight class, GSP arguably best p4p fighter, Hughes greatest WW champ of all time, and Machida at 205, need I say more...

with Pulver, Penn destroyed, and toyed with him, and finished him with ease...

This is the fight that will crown the best P4P fighter IMO
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:01 AM   #2 (permalink)
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You definitely make a good argument, as they are both considered in the top 4 p4p by most people. Stating that anyone is the best p4p right now is just speculation, since none of the top 5 have fought eachother.

The best scenario for fans would be for GSP to beat Penn, because that would open the possibility for GSP to face Silva. If Penn wins, he won't get to fight Silva, and there will be lots left to speculation. If GSP and Silva fight, many questions will be answered.

Of course there is another part of me that doesn't want a definitive p4p. It's great that there are so many fatanstic fighters that people can have serious debates about this.

As for Fedor, I don't think he will ever be a household name until he makes a deal with the UFC.
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Old 10-27-2008, 11:21 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Unfortunately for you guys,

Those 3 guys (silva, gsp, penn) are at the top of their game, and probably equally able to receive the P4P title. Here is the catch though ! They all fight different weight classes, In my mind it will always stay like this

Silva > GSP > Penn

It is clear for me, GSP will own Penn, but even after that I have serious doubt he can take on Silva (just the reach advantage would be enough to neutralize him)
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:15 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think your argument is good, but you completely ignored A. Silva. I don't get it?
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:17 PM   #5 (permalink)
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You definitely make a good argument, as they are both considered in the top 4 p4p by most people. Stating that anyone is the best p4p right now is just speculation, since none of the top 5 have fought eachother.

The best scenario for fans would be for GSP to beat Penn, because that would open the possibility for GSP to face Silva. If Penn wins, he won't get to fight Silva, and there will be lots left to speculation. If GSP and Silva fight, many questions will be answered.Of course there is another part of me that doesn't want a definitive p4p. It's great that there are so many fatanstic fighters that people can have serious debates about this.

As for Fedor, I don't think he will ever be a household name until he makes a deal with the UFC.
I dont know how many answers Silva v GSP would answer unless GSP either won the fight or came extremely close to winning in which case people would rank GSP higher than Silva. However Silva is in a higher weightclass and is just as talented and therefore would be expected to win the fight. So if he wins the fight with relative ease I think an argument could still be made for GSP and the discussion would continue on.

It honestly seems unfair for GSP to have to beat Silva for the title since you dont hear people saying Silva will only be P4P if he can beat Fedor which is not a level fight due to their size difference.

That being said I would def order any PPV with Silva v. GSP.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I dont see how anyone can make a case that GSP is better Pound for Pound then Anderson. You have GSP loosing to Matt Hughes, you have him loosing to SERRA!! and he did not finish Fitch. Now Fitch is definitly tough competition but if you look at Andersons run in the UFC it blows GSP out of the water.

I love GSP but i just dont see him topping Anderson at this point.
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Old 10-27-2008, 01:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Well, I would think that anyone who is considered the "Best Pound for Pound" should be good enough to beat anyone 25 pounds heavier than them, ignoring water weight cutting.

Following this logic, GSP should be able to beat Silva, in order to be the best. By the same rule, Silva should be able to beat Fedor, as their walking weight is also within 25 pounds of eachother. If there was a 215 weight class, Fedor could probably make that.

And as for noone talking about Silva being able to beat Fedor, it happens quite often on this forum.

But this is all speculation of course. The best part is, they are all very exciting to watch!

For me, I consider Silva > BJ > GSP
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I dont see how anyone can make a case that GSP is better Pound for Pound then Anderson. You have GSP loosing to Matt Hughes, you have him loosing to SERRA!! and he did not finish Fitch. Now Fitch is definitly tough competition but if you look at Andersons run in the UFC it blows GSP out of the water.

I love GSP but i just dont see him topping Anderson at this point.
I think weight classes plays a significant role in that argument though. The heavier the division, the more KO finishes just because the guys have more power. GSP has been just as dominant as Anderson, just less finishes. And Anderson has had some bad losses in his career as well, not that I would consider losing to Hughes who was considered one of the greatest fighters in the world at the time and it being GSP's first fight on a MAIN CARD as a bad loss.
That being said I think Anderson is number one right now although after the Cote fight he slipped a little giving some ground to Fedor.
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I am sure these rankings will be changing Febuary 1st though with GSP/Penn and Fedor/Arlovski.
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I wouldnt consider Andersons looses bad, he was GREEN as hell. No one looses to flying heel hooks unless they are unskilled in BJJ which he was at the time.

Also in terms of knock outs being more common in heavier weight classes, i do see your point BUT Anderson is now known for one punch knock out power anyways. He usually uses strikes to weaken his opponent and a nice knee to the head seals the deal lol.
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Old 10-27-2008, 02:17 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I wouldnt consider Andersons looses bad, he was GREEN as hell. No one looses to flying heel hooks unless they are unskilled in BJJ which he was at the time.

Also in terms of knock outs being more common in heavier weight classes, i do see your point BUT Anderson is now known for one punch knock out power anyways. He usually uses strikes to weaken his opponent and a nice knee to the head seals the deal lol.
Anderson was 9-1 with a win over Carlos Newton going into his fight against Takase and was heavily favored and lost to him. GSP was 7-0 before his fight with Hughes with his biggest win over Karo. If anyone was more green it was probably GSP imo. And does James Irvin ring any bells, Silva probably only needed half a punch for that fight. Either way he hits as hard as anyone in the division.
I am not disagreeing with you, I think Silva is ahead but a case for GSP can be made.
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