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Old 11-07-2008, 04:21 AM   #51 (permalink)
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you don't have to have Jitz to be good on the ground. Koscheck is a great example of this.
How is he a great example of that? He's only good from the top position which is only HALF of BJJ, signifying that he's not "complete". The point is, you don't have to be complete like you seem to believe in order to be a top 10 ranked fighter. That ideology is simply absurd, especially for a division as young as the FW division which is still growing.

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Sheilds built up his record fighting mostly second or third tier fighters. It's really easy to be the biggest fish in a small pond.
Sakurai was "first tier" for a long time at WW. Shields also drew with Misaki (a top 10 MW), he beat Yushin Okami (another top 10 MW).

Your "tiers" are obviously subjective, and I probably won't agree with them based on your past history of disagreeing with me about top 10 rankings. However, all that said, Jake Shields is a champion, and still a top-ranked fighter. You may not think he's top of the line, but the fact he's not the "complete package" and is still highly ranked indicates that your criteria is flawed.
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Old 11-07-2008, 07:18 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Urijah got caught plain and simple, no shame in that.


I'm still a fan of the California Kid.
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Old 11-07-2008, 09:53 AM   #53 (permalink)
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I theres shame in the way he got caught though.

He's a show boater, and often gets cocky/complacent in his fights. This time his opponents composure made him look foolish.
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Old 11-07-2008, 10:56 AM   #54 (permalink)
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Urijah got caught plain and simple, no shame in that.


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Word. Faber said it himself, he got caught and Brown capitalized on it. There's no reason for anybody to bring Brown down... He was doing what he has trained to do.. FIGHT. There's no luck in MMA. This stuff happens. Faber is still one of my favorite fighters and I think he's going to be a little more strategic going into their rematch.
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Old 11-07-2008, 11:52 AM   #55 (permalink)
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How is he a great example of that? He's only good from the top position which is only HALF of BJJ, signifying that he's not "complete". The point is, you don't have to be complete like you seem to believe in order to be a top 10 ranked fighter. That ideology is simply absurd, especially for a division as young as the FW division which is still growing.



Sakurai was "first tier" for a long time at WW. Shields also drew with Misaki (a top 10 MW), he beat Yushin Okami (another top 10 MW).

Your "tiers" are obviously subjective, and I probably won't agree with them based on your past history of disagreeing with me about top 10 rankings. However, all that said, Jake Shields is a champion, and still a top-ranked fighter. You may not think he's top of the line, but the fact he's not the "complete package" and is still highly ranked indicates that your criteria is flawed.
since when do you have to have Jitz to be a complete MMA fighter? all you need to be "complete" IMO is a good ground game and good standup. Jitz isn't a requirement, it's just a method to getting a good ground game.

I said "mostly" for a reason. he has fought a few tier one fighters. never disputed this.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:54 PM   #56 (permalink)
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except tyson griffin...

and "kid" may have the most powerful hands at 145
No. Not even close. Pulver is the best FW and even LW. I've seen the guy 1 punch KTFO people out with kickboxing gloves on.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:57 PM   #57 (permalink)
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No. Not even close. Pulver is the best FW and even LW. I've seen the guy 1 punch KTFO people out with kickboxing gloves on.
Pulver is not the best LW or FW and definetly is not the hardest puncher at either weight. He punches hard but Kid punches harder.
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Old 11-09-2008, 02:13 AM   #58 (permalink)
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Who has Faber fought to really deserve to be called the best?
I think the question is: Who is there left for Faber to fight to prove he is one of the best? The Featherweight division in MMA, especially the WEC, is one of the weakest divisions, to say the least. Faber has up until his fight with Brown fought and defeated every featherweight he has been matched up with, including Bibiano Fernandes, Jeff Curran, Charles Bennett and even Jens Pulver. Yeah that's not the most impressive resume out there but you'd be hard pressed to fight many other featherweights with an equally impressive resume.
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Pulver is not the best LW or FW and definetly is not the hardest puncher at either weight. He punches hard but Kid punches harder.
Kid can't even one punch KO a guy with those dinky MMA gloves and Pulver can do it with half pound boxing gloves. You clearly don't wtf you are talking about. Christ any idot can go look at their fight history and see tha Pulver has a KO/win rate better than almsot any other fighter in UFC or WEC. It's twice as high as Faber's. Faber has a KO rate of about 1 in 3 wins, while Pulver is about 2 in 3 wins.

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