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post #11 of 51 (permalink) Old 10-29-2008, 07:55 PM
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Chuck Liddell has faced way more highly established wrestlers than BJ, GSP, or Silva and has had a much better TDD rate against all of them. Just wanted to put it out there that chuck has the best TDD. I have no comment for the rest of your post.

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nice essay, however a couple things:

"There are 4 guys with far better BJJ then him (Alemeida, Maia, Palhares and Filho). Palhares and Filho could probably take him down at will, and in turn would probably beat Anderson quite eaisly. "

This is all speculation. Didn't Alemeida fight Cote recently? It definitely wasn't a mismatch.

"BJ has the best TDD in MMA (except for maybe GSP). Hell even Randy had trouble taking him down. "

Did they fight recently? Or is this all hearsay from practice the two had? Unless it's an actual fight you can't really claim this.


First: I agree nice essay...


Second: I agree with adobostreak....the 4guys you name have the only thing everyone else that fought Anderson...a chance, they ave to fight the guy at the end of the day and I see Almeida and Pallhares losing to Anderson.......


Third: You make valids points about the levels of bjj and Iagree with your assesment of GSP....as far as Andersons weight bein 230...and he has to cut to 185....dunno if thats a total advantage....
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Chuck Liddell has faced way more highly established wrestlers than BJ, GSP, or Silva and has had a much better TDD rate against all of them. Just wanted to put it out there that chuck has the best TDD. I have no comment for the rest of your post.
Like who? And when they actually tried to take them down. I think he meant TDD not ability not to get taken down. BJ's ability to avoid the take down when someone gets a hold of him is unmatched.

Liddell fought Tito, COuture and Babalu. That is about it and Tito was never a starter in college and wasn't even division 1. Couture is accomplished but never really attempted too many takedowns. He just tried clinching and striking mostly. Bablu was pretty good at wrestling but he couldn't avoid getting KO'd for long enough to try a shot in both fights

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I thought Chuck fought Kevin Randelman, he fought Jeff Monson and Babalu as you mentioned and I think babalu is better wrestler than Tito....

I disagree with you about Randy he'll take you down he just does it with Roman Greco techniques.......

plus Chuck has fought other BJJ guys that he needed good tdd against.....

Its Chuck....he hit a rough patch but the dude was the man at one point stuffin t/d's like with the ease...

I would prob consider it a coin toss between GSP and BJ's TDD....
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Comparing Silva's weight to Fedor's weight doesnt' fly for me. He may be at 230 a week or two before the fight, but he cuts that weight over a good chunk of time. Basically, that means that he isn't cutting water weight for most of it.

It is kind of like a professional body builder. During the off season, many of them pudge up somewhat to allow their body to feed the muscles properly. Then, when competition comes around, they cut it all down. Obviously, that isn't all water weight.

Silva, IMO, probably weighs about 190ish after gaining back his hydration. Obviously that is just my speculation.

As to his weakness to shots, who was the last guy with great BJJ that he fought? The most recent with talent would probably be Lutter and Silva submitted him with style.

He doesn't have to worry about takedowns from his opponents because none of them are much of a threat to him on the ground. Instead, he can clinch, leaving himself open to takedowns, giving himself the opportunities to throw knees.

We'll see when he fights a guy with solid BJJ how willing he is to clinch and possibly give up the takedown.

I'm not saying you are wrong,(though I do think that either Anderson or Fedor are #1 p4p) I'm just giving you my 2 cents on the issues you brought up.


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I thought Chuck fought Kevin Randelman, he fought Jeff Monson and Babalu as you mentioned and I think babalu is better wrestler than Tito....

I disagree with you about Randy he'll take you down he just does it with Roman Greco techniques.......

plus Chuck has fought other BJJ guys that he needed good tdd against.....

Its Chuck....he hit a rough patch but the dude was the man at one point stuffin t/d's like with the ease...

I would prob consider it a coin toss between GSP and BJ's TDD....
I never said anything negative about Randy just that he never really attempted takedowns much against Chuck. Same for most of these people. They couldn't get close enough. That was Chuck's TDD, but I think the TS was talking about actual TDD. BJJ guys aren't traditionally great take down artist. Especially going against anyone with wrestling experience. Also I was just arguing about the better wrestler part. GSP fought Koscheck who trumps anyone Chuck has fought except Randleman (who I did forget about). I agree that Chukc was the man and his decline in ability has nothing to do with my opinion of his TDD.

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Silva bulked to 230 so he could be big enough to fight at 205. He was probably holding a LOT of water when he was 230 and how fast he put on the weight most likely had higher than average bodyfat before starting his cut.
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These threads are getting a lil old. Logically speaking fedor is most definitely the best fighter in the world.



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Anderson is clearly the no1 p4p fighter he has beaten every 1 with great style except cote which he would of done anyways. He has beaten world class Wrestlers, Jits guys and strikers easily, theres is literally no flaws in his game what so ever and comparing his weight with fedors is ridiculous.

why is every on Fedors nuts here, am not saying he is shit or anything he is definitely in the top 5 p4p but anderson is way ahead IMO, i just wish the UFC would sign him so they could fight.

I could go on for days proving why Anderson is no1 p4p.

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He's definitely not prp #1 skill wise IMO, but if you look at stats it's hard to deny that he isn't #1. He finishes all his fights, and has yet to lose. Fedor has been fighting meh competition lately, while GSP has some decisions and losses, and then Bj has losses as well.




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