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post #21 of 51 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 12:10 AM
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You guys make me smile. Next fight A Silva will beat the hell out of his opponent and you are all gonna be kissing his ass again.

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post #22 of 51 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 02:18 AM
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He doesn't really weigh 230 when he fights at Middleweight, obviously since no one can cut 45 lb. He cut from 230 when he fought at Light Heavyweight, he usually cuts from around 200-205 lb when he fights at Middleweight.

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ive seen filho fight, stfu about him he sucks
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The way he beats his opponent is why he's also considered one of the p4p top fighters. He beats people by using their strengths.

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I just think that if you compare the divisions with regard to fighters and their skills, GSP and Fedor have have faced guys that pose more threat to them in a specific aspect of MMA. Look at this:

Silva hasn't defeated an elite striker. (although you COULD argue for Franklin)
Silva hasn't defeated an elite MMA-grappler.
Silva has defeated an elite wrestler with power (Dan Henderson).

Silva hasn't fought an elite anything beyond Dan Henderson, he's fought a bunch of well-rounded guys who aren't particularly amazing at a single aspect of the sport.


GSP has defeated an elite MMA grappler (BJ Penn).
GSP has defeated an elite wrestler (Koscheck).
GSP hasn't fought/defeated an elite striker (but will when he faces Alves)

Now look at Fedor:

Fedor has defeated elite striker(s) (Cro Cop and Hunt).
Fedor has defeated an elite MMA grappler (Nogueira).
Fedor has defeated elite wrestler(s) (Randleman and Coleman).

Fedor has fought guys who have posed significant threats to him in all aspects of the game. He just hasn't faced anyone that's nearly as polished as him in all dimensions of the sport.
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post #26 of 51 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 05:33 AM
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Fedor is the p4p best fighter. Hes been on top for a long time now and has pretty much beaten everyone aat HW except Coultoure and the pitttbull. Honestly though Randy is and Andrea are pretty new since both have had comeback of sorts.

I think Andersen will lose a fight or two if he steps up to LHW and starts to fight guys like Wandy and Chuck. These matches will be good measuring sticks for Andersen. Now f Andersen can fight a few fights then when the strap at LHW?

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I always think small but dominant heavyweights should be given much more consideration in a pound for pound rating. I mean the equivalent of Fedor or Randy fighting Silvia or Lesner is kind of like BJ fighting at 205.
However I do believe that Dominance in your division goes along way and A. Silva certainly has that. Just interms of themanner of his victories as well as who he fought.
BJ needs more fights as champ and GSP needs to take out Alves. However Fedor has beaten everyone except Barnett, Arlovski and Randy. And we will get to see 2 of those soon. SO i have to go with Fedor as p4p best because he is reguraly outweighed - the equivalent of fighting up a division (or several) if he were lighter, and is still as dominant as ever.
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I thought Chuck fought Kevin Randelman, he fought Jeff Monson and Babalu as you mentioned and I think babalu is better wrestler than Tito....

I disagree with you about Randy he'll take you down he just does it with Roman Greco techniques.......

plus Chuck has fought other BJJ guys that he needed good tdd against.....

Its Chuck....he hit a rough patch but the dude was the man at one point stuffin t/d's like with the ease...

I would prob consider it a coin toss between GSP and BJ's TDD....
Correct,he fought bustamante,who tried to take him down,chuck kept it standing and won the decision.No doubt at the time chuck was the best pound for pound fighter on the planet,his best attribute was getting people to fight HIS fight,and impose his game plan.

As for Silva,he is no doubt in the top 3 P4P,his 2 dominations of franklin showed his strength,franklin is now fighting at LH,silva bullied him in the clinch,i think he could easily fight at heavyweight and be a force.

There are a severe lack of credible challengers at MW,don't think bisping is ready yet,added to that,his style matches up horribly against silva,he is everything silva would want to fight,pressure fighter who keeps it standing,i think silva would counter punch and take bisping out,with relative ease.
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post #29 of 51 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 09:06 AM
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Where did you guys hear that Silva weighs 230 lbs?
He said in an interview some time ago, that he cuts 14 kilos(a bit less than 30 lbs). If you do the math it's 185+30=215 lbs. So, his normal weight is a bit less than 215 lbs, just like ZZTiger said.

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Silva said before he weighs around 210-215 normally before cutting to MW, but there are a lot of big guys in the MW division who will weigh similar. He bulked upto 230 but a lot of that as people say is probably water weight and fat before cutting to make himself sharper to fight at 205.

He seems to be trying to do a Roy Jones (his idol) and go up and down in weights but we all know Jones was undefeated and should've retired yet he kept bulking and losing it and it affected him a lot, he lost most of his fights in the last few years, its not a good thing. Although the LHW division has a lot more challenges for him and I can see his motivation for it, also tyring to be a 2 weight champion in MMA is very difficult and very rare so he might want to achieve something that not many have (has only Hendo done it?),

IMO Fedor is no.1 p4p, but Silva is probably no.2 when on form, he has improved a lot since his early pride days.

As a striker, he is probably the best in MMA, his BJJ is pretty good, he lacks wrestling but thats because he's a striker, so if your talking about p4p in terms of skillsets then he wouldn't be no.1 but p4p is about results. He has been very impressive. You can't say anyone who has good wrestling and BJJ would 'easily' beat him, thats just silly, first of all he is more like to 'easily outstrike' those oponents you have meantioned than be 'easily beaten'. Although it showed in the Hendo fight he can be taken down and kept down, who could do that for 5 rounds? or even 3. He is likely to hit you if you come in to take him down and thats where his striking is most dangerous, he can also clinch if you get close to him, so once you have done it he won't let you do it again, as shown in the Hendo fight.

In pure wrestling/BJJ many fighters would beat him, but this is MMA and he would beat them all in striking and thats what has had the upper hand in his fights.

You could even use the arguments that he has some weaknesses yet he has beaten his opponents soundly, so instead of using the argument against him it actually works for him.
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