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Old 10-29-2008, 07:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Anderson Silva is not the best P4P fighter in the world and here is why..

Firstly I would like to say I am not a Silva hater, and if anything closer to a nuthugger. And this thread has nothing to do with the Cote fight. But, there are to blantant reasons Silva isn't the best P4P fighter in the world, which no one ever seems to mention (which is quite saddening).

First off I'm giving Silva the benifit of the doubt here as he is the one who said this, (BTW this is easily the most overlooked point on the P4P scale in terms of Silva) he weights 230 pounds. That means he actually weights as much as Fedor. Everyone bitches about Fedor fighting Linland, but no body ever seems to care that Anderson is essentially doing the same thing every time he fights at MW. Sure there is no definite proof to this, but I'm quite sure Fedor can handle Franklin, Marquart, Henderson, Leban, Lutter and Irvin more dominantly then Anderson did. Hell probably even the current Cro Cop could. This in my mind makes Anderson the best P4P weight cutter, but in no way is he the best P4P fighter.

Secondly, he actually doesn't have an almost unbeatable style for his weight like all the other P4P contenders.

He has shown extreme weakness to shots, and although he is a legit black belt, there are levels of BJJ black belt. There are 4 guys with far better BJJ then him (Alemeida, Maia, Palhares and Filho). Palhares and Filho could probably take him down at will, and in turn would probably beat Anderson quite eaisly. Maia and Almeida could definitely beat him if they work their wrestling, and might even win anyways by pulling gaurd on him.

Look at the other contenders though.

BJ has the best TDD in MMA (except for maybe GSP). Hell even Randy had trouble taking him down. He also has great striking, an ungodly chin, very very solid TD's and the best BJJ at 155 (minus Garcia).

GSP has the best wrestling in MMA, great BJJ and very good striking. There are no actal threats for him in the BJJ department at WW, so he can actually just take anyone down and pound them out with his excellent GnP. Even if their were though, there is no way he can get them down and he is also one of the best strikers at WW.

Fedor has the best GnP in MMA, and is bascially 9/10 in every other aspect. He has shown great striking (he has never been outstruck or even knocked down by a punch), very very good TD's/TDD, amazing recovery time and awesome sub's/sub defense.

While Anderson has the best striking at MW and good BJJ, there are obvious flaws in his game which is why I say he simply isn't the best P4P fighter in the world.

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Old 10-29-2008, 08:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Well put, the only thing I can say about Silva is that his striking is probably 12/10, making up for a lack of wrestling somewhat.

Good point about his weight though, if he is actually the same weight as Fedor then I think the argument for him bing the P4P best is weaker than I thought. It would be interesting to know his weight at the time of the fight because that would make or break your point. Could he really cut that much weight? Seems crazy
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:07 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I can't put him number 1 because unlike GSP he hasn't cleared out his divison.

I feel the same way about Fedor until he beats Arlovski or Barnett.
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:08 PM   #4 (permalink)
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nice essay, however a couple things:

"There are 4 guys with far better BJJ then him (Alemeida, Maia, Palhares and Filho). Palhares and Filho could probably take him down at will, and in turn would probably beat Anderson quite eaisly. "

This is all speculation. Didn't Alemeida fight Cote recently? It definitely wasn't a mismatch.

"BJ has the best TDD in MMA (except for maybe GSP). Hell even Randy had trouble taking him down. "

Did they fight recently? Or is this all hearsay from practice the two had? Unless it's an actual fight you can't really claim this.
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:14 PM   #5 (permalink)
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P4P ratings depend on the criteria you use to evaluate. Good points and too mention a few- yes, he has soem weaknesses in his game-but no one has been able to exploit them, so its hard to say they detract form his skill. I personally believe Lutter would ahve finished him if Lutter was at weight without problems. But he did not, so as far as rankings go it is a win.

As far as SIlva's weight: I don't really believe he weighed 230. He may have converted Kilo's to US pounds worng, or something. Maybe whoever typed it transposed the 3 and the 0. FInally just because it was written soemwhere does not make it true, and especially not because it is said.
And there is no way anyone cuts from 230 to 185, this would be a long prep time. Cutting form 203 to 185 is a really hard stretch cut at 8% for 18 pounds, anything over 5% is harsh and exhausting. But you can work from 203 to 185 in a few weeks- with a lighter cut at the end. Additionally Silva is not built bad, but he is soft looking and is not anywhere close to having the best physique in his weight class. At 230 he would be quite pudgy.

He might be the best p4p currently- - but if Fedor beats Arlovski I say Fedor based on all criteria including recent oppoennts. I also think if MMA stopped tomorrow Fedor would go down as best P4P ever, not Silva.
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:17 PM   #6 (permalink)
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to me silva cutting to 185 is no different than alves cutting to 170 from 200+. silva is just better at the cutting the weight than alves, but the both recoup well. other middleweight like hendo and bisping who have fought at 205 have to put on weight to make the cut. i know hendo walks around at around 195 or so.

is it an advantage for silva....yes. do i have problem with it.....no. if he can cut it and still preform and still make weight more power to him.
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i liked your discussion and i have to agree with u
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Old 10-29-2008, 08:44 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Silva walks at 220. I know cuz he said it in an interview. I heard the interview a while ago though and I cant find it so I have no proof but anyway... Silva is by far the best pure striker in mma and that is why the guy is considered so great. He knocks everyone out in his division then he goes to 205 and knocks a legit fighter out in 1 minute. And as far as four guys having better bjj it doesn mean he cant defend against it. If the guy with the best bjj always won then mma wouldn be so exciting. Silva's length also helps him with his juijitsu so even if he isn as good technically as some he can compensate for that with his length. Also, Fedor could beat those guys cuz he weighs 230. Silva doesn cut from 220 to 185. He loses weight by dieting and then cuts the rest so he doesn fight at more than 200. I doubt Fedor could get down to that weight so that argument is void.
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First off I'm giving Silva the benifit of the doubt here as he is the one who said this, (BTW this is easily the most overlooked point on the P4P scale in terms of Silva) he weights 230 pounds. That means he actually weights as much as Fedor. Everyone bitches about Fedor fighting Linland, but no body ever seems to care that Anderson is essentially doing the same thing every time he fights at MW.
I don't know, nor do I feel like looking this up, but what does Fedor usually weighs when he fights? Even if he fights at the 230 range all the time, that is not what his walking around weight is (I would assume). So it's not really fair to compare one's walking around weight against someone's fighting weight.
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I have only heard Silva mention that he cuts from 97 kg which is roughly 213 lbs

Hett, Fedor walks at what he fights at. One of the advantages of being a HW. Anywhere from 225-265 lbs is good. The only people that cut are those that weigh more then 265
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