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post #1 of 113 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 10:30 AM Thread Starter
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How can Randy beat Lesnar?

Before I start, please note this thread is not about Couture not having a chance etc im just curious for opinions. I'm going to mention a few points and am curious to see what people think

1) Lesnar on the night will probably weigh about 50 pounds more than Randy will and there for IMO if Lesnar takes him to the ground then I cant see randy getting back up

2) Randy is probably strongest in the clinch but how can you hold a guy up against the cage who is 50 pounds more than you and has the strength of Lesnar

3) Couture's major strength is his ability to use his wrestling to take people down and pound them out or inflict a lot of damage but I really cant see him taking Lesnar down and if he does then ill be amazed if he can keep him down there

4) Randy has good stand up and we are yet to see how good Lesnars stand up is but he did break one of heath Herring bones with one shot and partially blinded him for the rest of that fight so we know he can put you down

5) Lesnar is stronger, faster and more athletic than Randy and his main weakness is his BJJ and lets be honest Randy isnt known for him submissions

The only thing I personally see Randy having over Lesnar is his experience and his amazing Cardio which IMO counts for alot in MMA but also I cant see how these 2 alone will win him this fight.

Your thoughts please because I honestly believe Lesnar will make a statement in this fight and also im not a Lesnar nuthugger, I love Randy but I really believe the odds are against him in this one

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post #2 of 113 (permalink) Old 10-30-2008, 10:42 AM
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we dont know how brock s chin is. maybe he cant take a punch

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Im not sayin Brocks chin is great cuz idk for sure but when I was a kid there was this WWE stunt that got messed up and he landed strait on his head from the top turnbuckle and still managed to finish the match (with a concussion) so that says something for a guy that big to land flat on his head. Anyway the only way I see Randy winning is if he can stuff takedowns to keep the fight standing then he can pick him apart and win a decision. Randy has head movement like a pro boxer and I dont think Lesnar will land a crazy shot like he did to Herring because of Coutures movement.
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Im looking for Randy to try and stay on the outside boxing and weaving like he did against Sylvia. Sylvia staggered over Couture in height and weight but Couture did fine. If Randy can stay far enough away to circle away from Lesnar's shots he will bob in and out of Lesnars reach and pepper him with jabs allnight.

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Are we talking about the same Randy Couture who managed to outstrike Chuck Liddell, spank Tito Ortiz, and drop Big Tim with a single punch?

Or the Randy Couture who got run over by a younger, bigger, stronger wrestler by the name of Josh Barnett?

I really hope the fighter cited in the first example is the one who shows up against Lesnar a couple weeks from now.

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randy could definately out point lesnar if he works a lyoto machida esque gameplan like an above poster mentioned. randy probably won't be fast enough to avoid everything but he could still do very well using this gameplan. couture just needs to make sure brock can't get a hold of him, and with brocks speed its going to be hard.

i don't think either of them will be an underdog/favirote because it's quite close. im favouring lesnar right now i reckon he'll overwhelm couture with brute strength but i wouldn't be surprised to see couture take a hard fought decision.

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Im looking for Randy to try and stay on the outside boxing and weaving like he did against Sylvia. Sylvia staggered over Couture in height and weight but Couture did fine.
I really dont like this example, Lesnar is faster and a far more superior athlete than Sylvia.

Xamrit, I definetly hear what your saying, Im having a hard time goin with nayone else but Lesnar...the only way I see Couture winning is if he can take it to the later rounds and use his cardio/experience into those championship rounds.
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[QUOTE=lpbigd4444;696473]Im not sayin Brocks chin is great cuz idk for sure but when I was a kid there was this WWE stunt that got messed up and he landed strait on his head from the top turnbuckle and still managed to finish the match (with a concussion) so that says something for a guy that big to land flat on his head[QUOTE]

Lol, i remember that too, never thought of the point that he still continued..(for those who didnt see it http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=10ABNwCa7ZE) but anyways i want couture to win, but i just see lesnar overpowering thing. I agree with all your points, very well put together.
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I don't think he can take Brock down. If he does, he won't be able to keep him there.
He won't win a clinch with Lesnar. It would be suicide. Brock would take Couture down and keep him there.

Randy will try and box but at that point he is relying on a point victory and testing an unknown chin. I have a feeling if Randy tries to box, Brock will immediately go for takedowns and simply control the bout. If this is the case, I could totally envision a Lesnar decision victory.

I honestly don't see Couture winning though. I just think everything Randy brings to the table will be neutralized.
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I really dont like this example, Lesnar is faster and a far more superior athlete than Sylvia.

Xamrit, I definetly hear what your saying, Im having a hard time goin with nayone else but Lesnar...the only way I see Couture winning is if he can take it to the later rounds and use his cardio/experience into those championship rounds.
I agree. Comparing Sylvia to Lesnar is not even fair. Sylvia may have superior MMA skills but he is also an athletic joke. Lesnar is a freak of nature with some basic skills.

I don't think Randy's cardio will be better than Brock's. If anything, the pace Lesnar sets should be too much for Couture.
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