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View Poll Results: Who do you give the advantage to on the ground?
B.J Penn 63 57.27%
Georges St Pierre 47 42.73%
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post #51 of 55 (permalink) Old 11-09-2008, 09:23 PM
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Either could come in and dominate on the ground, depending on who comes in in the right situation, with their training and such. Going by their recent performances I think BJ is in a better place at the moment.
I think I need some backup on that lets see the facts
After defeating BJ Penn GSP went 5-1
W - Fitch
W - Serra
W - Hughes
W - Koscheck
L - Serra
W - Hughes

Since BJ lost to GSP, he went 3-1
W - Sherk
W - Stevenson
W - Pulver
L - Hughes

Please tell me how those opponent make him better ?
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MMA-BJJ refers to the integration of strikes to set-up BJJ submissions and guard passing. Wrestling is control, but so is BJJ on the ground---from top and bottom positions, whereas wrestling has more to do with keeping/getting the fight where you want it to be.

Sean Sherk has great wrestling because more often than not he can take the fight where he wants it. He also has a good MMA-BJJ top game because he can control, and pass to side control by setting-up with strikes. BJJ takes over when the fight hits the ground, wrestling is the means of getting it there although the line between the two is very thin.
i don't agree that bjj takes over when the fight hits the ground....at least not in every case....brock used great wrestling control on heath to hold him in a turtled position and not allow him to scramble out...while landing strikes....it depends on the fighter....and as a fedor fan, isn't sambo and other martial arts also effective when the fight gets to the ground as well?
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i was reading through this thread and someone said gsp doesnt have good gaurd passing.

gsp has the best passing in mma and its only getting better with every fight.

plus george has greg jackson in his corner unlike the first fight.

gsp by gameplan with a twist of nipple
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i don't agree that bjj takes over when the fight hits the ground....at least not in every case....brock used great wrestling control on heath to hold him in a turtled position and not allow him to scramble out...while landing strikes
That's a rare example of an MMA fight becoming a collegiate wrestling match.

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....it depends on the fighter....and as a fedor fan, isn't sambo and other martial arts also effective when the fight gets to the ground as well?
Sambo and BJJ are very similar, if you want to get technical then I'll say "submission grappling" instead of BJJ. Either way, it's not pure wrestling.
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Let's not get too carried away with GSP's advantages over BJ in striking and his ability on the ground.

He has been beating guys like Hughes, Koscheck etc who are predominantly wrestlers with average striking and pretty much have no idea how to work off their back (because they are so very rarely in that position).

I honestly don't know who is going to win this fight. I'm leaning towards George right now because I still have concerns on BJ fighting at 170.
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