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Old 11-09-2008, 12:14 PM   #11 (permalink)
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When Brock is against the fence, he will just grab Randy and superplex him off the top. I don't see what the writer is talking about. Seriously, I forgot how out of place Lesnar looked when he was against the fence and this may just be raising my false hope, but I hope Randy can take advantage of this.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:46 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I think this article hits on something everyone is overlooking. I really don't know if Brock can take Randy down. I haven't seen one takedown from him in MMA like I've seen from Koscheck that just made me say damn he's a great wrestler.

Brock has takendown 3 guys all who's takedown defense is horrible.
I don't see him getting Randy down and this article raise a good point about if Randy can get Brock down.
I don't know man, even though he is a can, an olympic Judo silver medalist must be hard to take down.
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judo and wrestling are totally different and btw cant wait to see brock smash randy lol
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I think this article hits on something everyone is overlooking. I really don't know if Brock can take Randy down. I haven't seen one takedown from him in MMA like I've seen from Koscheck that just made me say damn he's a great wrestler.

Brock has takendown 3 guys all who's takedown defense is horrible. I don't see him getting Randy down and this article raise a good point about if Randy can get Brock down.
All I know is whenever he has committed to getting a takedown, he has gotten it.

And yes I know Heath "stuffed" him on that one takedown, but that was a really half-hearted effort.

Plus shots aren't the only way to get dominant position. In both of his UFC fights Brock has gained dominant position via a knockdown punch.

And Randy might have more experience than Brock, but Heath has a lot more experience than Randy and against better HW competition.
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All I know is whenever he has committed to getting a takedown, he has gotten it.

And yes I know Heath "stuffed" him on that one takedown, but that was a really half-hearted effort.

Plus shots aren't the only way to get dominant position. In both of his UFC fights Brock has gained dominant position via a knockdown punch.

And Randy might have more experience than Brock, but Heath has a lot more experience than Randy and against better HW competition.
But Herring is also notorious for having a lot of trouble with good wrestlers.
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But Herring is also notorious for having a lot of trouble with good wrestlers.
That's true, but my comment was mainly just there to contend the point that Randy will win just because he is more experienced.
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That's true, but my comment was mainly just there to contend the point that Randy will win just because he is more experienced.
In that respect, I agree!
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All I know is whenever he has committed to getting a takedown, he has gotten it.

And yes I know Heath "stuffed" him on that one takedown, but that was a really half-hearted effort.

Plus shots aren't the only way to get dominant position. In both of his UFC fights Brock has gained dominant position via a knockdown punch.

And Randy might have more experience than Brock, but Heath has a lot more experience than Randy and against better HW competition.
The majority of takedowns he's gotten are from catching kicks. Couture isn't doing that.

And I'm sorry that you believe he didn't try for that takedown attempt but he shot in and got shut down so I'm sorry if you know how badly he wanted it or not but since I don't read minds and I just go on what I see I say him go for a takedown against the guy with possibly the worst takedown defense in the HW divison (outside of Kongo) and got shut down.
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The majority of takedowns he's gotten are from catching kicks. Couture isn't doing that.

And I'm sorry that you believe he didn't try for that takedown attempt but he shot in and got shut down so I'm sorry if you know how badly he wanted it or not but since I don't read minds and I just go on what I see I say him go for a takedown against the guy with possibly the worst takedown defense in the HW divison (outside of Kongo) and got shut down.
I can't read minds but I can tell when he didn't pop his hips and explode like I know he can.

If your hanging your hopes of Randy winning solely on the fact that Brock's takedowns in MMA haven't been picture perfect, than I think you will be sorely mistaken.

I watched him back in his collegiate career and let me tell you when he fully commits to a takedown he is nearly unstoppable. His explosion is similar to GSP's but with an extra 100lbs of muscle behind it.


If you want to question Brock's BJJ or striking I can understand that. But questioning the takedown of ability of a guy with his athleticism and pedigree is kind of silly. Especially since in 3 fights he has gotten it to the ground whenever he wanted other than a single shot; even GSP misses the takedown once and a while.
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Can you please give me an example of a great shot by Lesnar in MMA? I'm just curious.

His college career was a long time ago he didn't wrestle for a long time in between being a national champion and training for MMA.

And guess what so far he hasn't looked great yet so just assuming he will because he did 10 years ago doesn't make sense to me.
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