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Old 11-12-2008, 08:06 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I agree this line is NUTS. Can anyone name a fighter that has beaten an opponent who has already beaten him twice?? I just dont see it fellas. If there is one thing we know about MMA its that styles make fights and for whatever reason Rampage just cant matchup to Wanderlei. I dont see this fight being much different. Except I dont think Wand will finish Page this time. He will just beat him up for 3 rounds.

I really dont think much has changed since they last faught. They both have the same skillset. I think the demise of Wanderlei's skills has been greatly exaggerated. He faught a few guys that were tough matchups for him and he lost, it happens. Since his loss to Liddell he destroyed a top LHW in Jardine. Since Quentin's last loss?? Well we all know what happened after that. He is far from in a good place mentally. He split with the trainer that helped him polish his game and who knows what type of shape he will be in physically or mentally for this fight.

Take Wanderlei all day in this fight!! I'd bet him as high as -250
Not so much the demise of Wandy's skill set as it is the improvements in QJ. But, I agree that we don't know what kind of state Rampage will be in fight time
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Old 11-12-2008, 08:55 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I wouldn't call having the title for a year and defending it only once a while.
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I think we can safely call it a "while."
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Old 11-12-2008, 04:53 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Hey guys, since this a gambling thread i'll ask my question here. what are the best gambling sites for ufc? it seems like there is not enough knowledge or experience when odds makers are seeting the line and i wanna get in on the action, especially rampage wandy.
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:18 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Not so much the demise of Wandy's skill set as it is the improvements in QJ. But, I agree that we don't know what kind of state Rampage will be in fight time
I dont see it Terry, I really dont. I dont think he has improved that much since they last faught. Here is what Jackson has done since his last loss to Wanderlei.

Win over Ninja via Split decision- We all know Quentin lost this fight. Even he knows it.

First round TKO loss to Shogun- Rampage gets blown out of the ring

Dominates Yokoi(suttin like that)with a TKO victory-Ehh he did what he was supposed to

UD victory over Dong Sik yoon- Not very impressive

Split decision win over Lindland- Everytime I watch this fight, I wonder how the hell Rampage won this decision

KO's Eastman- Didnt look to great against a guy that has been beaten up by everyone lately

KO's Chuck- Impressive win, but we didnt really get to see much of Quentin in the fight. I would have liked to seen them slug it out for a few to see how the 2 have improved.

UD over Hendo- Close fight, Rampage won it. Showed imporved cardio

UD loss to Forrest- Showed good power but was marginally outstruck by Forrest

Looking at those results has he gotten that much better? He faught 6 legit oponents since losing Wand. He only legitimate wins were over Liddell and Hendo. IMO he lost to both Ninja and Lindland. And he lost to Forrest and Shogun. Thats 2-6 against legit fighters since his fights with Wanderlei. Has he really improved??
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....IF
A. Rich had moved up to a superior fighting organization and knocked out it's most dominant champion,
B. then defended it against a champion with two belts in two different weight classes,
D. then had barely lost it in a second title defense after nearly knocking his opponent out...

So there's actually no comparison at all.

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Guys, its like Rich Franklin having even odds fighting Anderson a THIRD time lol. Not quite that bad but its definitly along those lines.
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A. Rich had moved up to a superior fighting organization and knocked out it's most dominant champion,
B. then defended it against a champion with two belts in two different weight classes,
D. then had barely lost it in a second title defense after nearly knocking his opponent out...

So there's actually no comparison at all.
I dont care if Rich went up to HW and KO'd Fedor. I would still bet on Anderson to whoop him again.
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bookmakers dont go by who they think will win when the make the odds they do it based on how people will bet if Brock Lesnar fought Fedor tommorow Brock would be the favorite not Fedor because the common fan would bet on Brock. Since Rampage is more well known right now from being the UFC champ and knocking out Lidell who was practically a god at that point Im surprised Rampage isnt the favortite, I mean what % of fans do you think have seen the first two fights?
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Not sure about this one. Is it me or does Wandy seem a little punch drunk; a little slower mentally from Crocops LHK... A bad KO from Hendo.... His chin looked great against chuck, have always been seseptable* to flash knock downs... Looked GREAT against Jardine but I see this bout with Rampage to be closer. Rampage looks like a beast in the UFC, much more dangerous than when he was in Pride... Even in the split decision championship loss... I can easily see Rampage stoping Wandy because he looks much more stronger and technical striking...

Toss up for me here.
Not the clear cut ass whooping he gave Rampage during the good old Pride days....
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I dont see it Terry, I really dont. I dont think he has improved that much since they last faught. Here is what Jackson has done since his last loss to Wanderlei.

Win over Ninja via Split decision- We all know Quentin lost this fight. Even he knows it.

First round TKO loss to Shogun- Rampage gets blown out of the ring

Dominates Yokoi(suttin like that)with a TKO victory-Ehh he did what he was supposed to

UD victory over Dong Sik yoon- Not very impressive

Split decision win over Lindland- Everytime I watch this fight, I wonder how the hell Rampage won this decision

KO's Eastman- Didnt look to great against a guy that has been beaten up by everyone lately

KO's Chuck- Impressive win, but we didnt really get to see much of Quentin in the fight. I would have liked to seen them slug it out for a few to see how the 2 have improved.

UD over Hendo- Close fight, Rampage won it. Showed imporved cardio

UD loss to Forrest- Showed good power but was marginally outstruck by Forrest

Looking at those results has he gotten that much better? He faught 6 legit oponents since losing Wand. He only legitimate wins were over Liddell and Hendo. IMO he lost to both Ninja and Lindland. And he lost to Forrest and Shogun. Thats 2-6 against legit fighters since his fights with Wanderlei. Has he really improved??
good post .... that said wandi via brutal ko
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Wandy's state of mind is superior. He is very hungry for a win, and he is absolutely committed to UFC. Did you see him when Dana entered his locker room prior to the Jardine fight? Wandy's face lit up and he called to him simply as: "Bosss!!!"
(Jardine by way of comparison, was surly vis a vis White, and would not even speak to him).

'Page, meanwhile, has experienced success (a title reign), then fell a little flat in his preparation and desire against Forrest. Add to that his current legal difficulties, a new training camp, and it's clear that his mind is not as focused.

For that reason alone, I give the nod to Wandy.
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