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Old 11-11-2008, 08:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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absolutely he can beat him...he's got mad skills and like anderson silva, is dangerous standing and on the ground....he's also got amazing tdd that anderson doesn't have....

the problem with penn is that he needs to initiate ground battles more...seems like he is rarely the guy shooting in for a td....i'd like to see him either pulling guard more or going for td's.....however, he won't be taking gsp down...so he'll either neither to beat him from his back or standing....and he's very capable of both

i hope he wins, so Alves can KO him for the belt
BJ is far from A.Silva striking wise. You NEVER see Silva swinging like BJ does sometime.

There is no one in the UFC with the precision of A.Silva

The cleanest boxing I saw after Silva was maybe Marcus Davis. Alot of fighters tend to throw their technique out of the window the moment they get punched, and the fight becomes more of a brawl.

I dont remember seeing an overly technical Penn in any of his fight. He has an interesting standup for sure, but I'm not convinced at his ability to pick apart guys in the WW division.

And his credential as being champion in 2 categories is BS for me since he did not earn any right to fight for the belt against Hugues. And he did not get a successful defence, you can not call that a WW champion.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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BJ has a better shot at beating GSP than Anderson Silva.

BJ is the better striker. The question is, can Georges take BJ down when BJ is fully motivated? If not, it could be a long night for Georges.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:32 PM   #13 (permalink)
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BJ is far from A.Silva striking wise. You NEVER see Silva swinging like BJ does sometime.

There is no one in the UFC with the precision of A.Silva

The cleanest boxing I saw after Silva was maybe Marcus Davis. Alot of fighters tend to throw their technique out of the window the moment they get punched, and the fight becomes more of a brawl.

I dont remember seeing an overly technical Penn in any of his fight. He has an interesting standup for sure, but I'm not convinced at his ability to pick apart guys in the WW division.

And his credential as being champion in 2 categories is BS for me since he did not earn any right to fight for the belt against Hugues. And he did not get a successful defence, you can not call that a WW champion.
if you look at what i said, i said he was dangerous standing on the ground, like anderson...i wouldn't dare compare their striking ability..but the fact is, bj can finish the fight in anywhere
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maybe in his cardio. and it's still not proven that he has any kind of cardio at 170. He could come out and gas in the 3rd for all we know. He'll be carrying a lot of extra weight.

as far as his technique goes I don't see much of a difference at all....
BJ's training is much more intense than it was a few years ago, this has been gone over many times.

GSP could also catch another superman punch and go down in the first.

How hard are you going to hug GSP's nuts? Both guys are 2x the fighters they were 3 years ago, not just Georges.
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BJ's training is much more intense than it was a few years ago, this has been gone over many times.

GSP could also catch another superman punch and go down in the first.

How hard are you going to hug GSP's nuts? Both guys are 2x the fighters they were 3 years ago, not just Georges.
what told you that?

when BJ outstruck a wrestler who was throwing the same combination the entire fight eating jabs?

or when he showed the jitz everyone already knew he had against stevenson?

I'd like to know at what point in what fight you saw any improved technique from BJ Penn other than cardio? I'd love to have my eyes opened to it...
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BJ has a better shot at beating GSP than Anderson Silva.

BJ is the better striker. The question is, can Georges take BJ down when BJ is fully motivated? If not, it could be a long night for Georges.
That, my friend, is the most ridiculous thing I've read today

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if you look at what i said, i said he was dangerous standing on the ground, like anderson...i wouldn't dare compare their striking ability..but the fact is, bj can finish the fight in anywhere
Granted, BJ is a potential treath everywhere, I thought you were talking like this guy up here (The Finisher)
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what told you that?

when BJ outstruck a wrestler who was throwing the same combination the entire fight eating jabs?

or when he showed the jitz everyone already knew he had against stevenson?

I'd like to know at what point in what fight you saw any improved technique from BJ Penn other than cardio? I'd love to have my eyes opened to it...
Both fights. Striking, while he has always had incredible striking, you can see how much more accurate and quicker he really is. Not to mention I didn't see him slow down too much after 3 rounds of straight stand up with Sherk.

Take down defense. GSP may be the best wrestler in MMA but Sean Sherk is as well. Sherk had nothing for Penn and didn't even bother to take him down other than a couple tries.

His BJJ has always been some of the best in MMA, it's GSP who has to show he can outwork BJ is that area.

BJ and GSP are both in their prime, there technique has always been some of the best but now both of them are much more intelligent fighters, they blend there technique with good time and game plans.
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Both fights. Striking, while he has always had incredible striking, you can see how much more accurate and quicker he really is. Not to mention I didn't see him slow down too much after 3 rounds of straight stand up with Sherk.

Take down defense. GSP may be the best wrestler in MMA but Sean Sherk is as well. Sherk had nothing for Penn and didn't even bother to take him down other than a couple tries.

His BJJ has always been some of the best in MMA, it's GSP who has to show he can outwork BJ is that area.

BJ and GSP are both in their prime, there technique has always been some of the best but now both of them are much more intelligent fighters, they blend there technique with good time and game plans.
GSP's BJJ has supposedly greatly improved, really so has his standup.

BJ's striking not slowing down after 3 with sherk is 100% cardio. Well that and all he had to throw was jabs. Those don't touch your cardio at all .

Sherk only tried to take BJ down a couple times. Part of his retarded 1 combo all night gameplan.

Sherk lost that fight even more than BJ won it. It was probably one of the worse gameplans in MMA history. He probably didn't even want to attempt takedowns because BJ has had amazing TDD for a long time.
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GSP's BJJ has supposedly greatly improved, really so has his standup.

BJ's striking not slowing down after 3 with sherk is 100% cardio. Well that and all he had to throw was jabs. Those don't touch your cardio at all .

Sherk only tried to take BJ down a couple times. Part of his retarded 1 combo all night gameplan.

Sherk lost that fight even more than BJ won it. It was probably one of the worse gameplans in MMA history. He probably didn't even want to attempt takedowns because BJ has had amazing TDD for a long time.
I have been acknowledging GSP has improved in all aspects in each post. You can stop with the who has improved in what area.

I never said his cardio reflected all on his striking. A lot of fighters who throw a whack of punches, jabs or power punches usually end up slowing down in their punching speed. Even if all BJ did was throw jabs all fight, he sure laid the beating of a lifetime on Sherk bad enough to end the fight at the end of the 3rd.

Make all the excuses you want for Sherk, BJ was the better fighter and Sherk had nothing for him. Sherk has underrated striking but it doesn't touch BJ's.
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sherk's gameplan was to establish a striking battle early then go for td's later in the fight...he got caught up in striking and paid the price....bj had a great showing, but sherk also put up a great fight...sherk did alot better in rounds 1 and 2 then goldy and rogan gave him credit for
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