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Old 11-16-2008, 02:31 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Well according to my new rankings it doesnt really matter anymore. Number 2 vs 3

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1. Fedor
2. Nog
3. Brock
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How exactly do you rank fighters? Brock has only had 4 career fights. One against a tiny asian, one against your #7 (to which he lost), one against a fighter you don't even have ranked, and a 45-year-old man that gave up 60 pounds and a reach advantage to Brock. How does that put him in the top 3 over proven fighters?
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:34 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Apparently you fogetting that Lesnar may not have good boxign but he has dropped everybody he has faced so he does have some serious power behind them.
Lesnar definetly has a chance at beating Nog, but stylisticly this is a terrible matchup for Brock. Nog's ground game is too good, Brock wants to take the fight to the ground, Nog will sub him off his back. That was something that Couture and Herring had no chance of doing. If Brock decides to stand with Nog, he will be outboxed. Anyway you slice it the fight will end up on the ground with Lesnar tapping just like he did against Mir.

Lesnar is not Fedor, Fedor's Submission game is at a very high level where Brock is still learning the basics. Nog or Mir is the worst type of matchup for Brock Lesnar.
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He is the man who beat the man. I think in a year he will be number 1 on my rankings
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I'm convinced Nog is going to beat Lesnar because the dude's chin is so completely solid, Lesnar will not be able to stop him easily. Like was said, the longer the fight goes, the more likely it is for Nog to win and I really doubt Lesnar will be able to keep it standing for 5 straight rounds and will probably start trying to take him down fairly early and when that happens, I think Nog has got him.
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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They didn't even mention that Big Nog is the champ and that Lesnar is not the "Undisputed" HW champ until he beats the winner of Nog/Mir.

Nog vs Mir isn't the #1 contender fight, Lesnar/Couture was. Couture walked away from his belt for over a year and comes back while Nog and Mir are doing TUF. This whole HW title picture feels so tainted.

I wish the UFC would treat thier business more like a sport and less hollywood. Guys like Machida and Maia have to win 10 fights to even be considered for a title shot, but a former WWE champ beats Heath Herring and gets a shot at a Champion who Left the organization a year and a Half ago???
I totally agree with your assessment of the Nog scenario, but you must understand why they made Lesnar Vs Couture a title match and that is $$$

Guys like Machida and Maia are not very marketable to north american fans, (ya know which fans im talking about)and that is why they need them to go on big winning streaks to make them marketable. Not to say I like it, just the facts.
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Old 11-16-2008, 02:51 PM   #16 (permalink)
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He is the man who beat the man. I think in a year he will be number 1 on my rankings
Josh Barnett beat Randy as well. Why isnt he on your rankings?

So I ask again, what criteria do you use to rank fighters? There is no way Brock is top 5 with a loss to a #7, 2 wins over non-ranked fighters (by your rankings), and only one win over a ranked fighter that happens to be 45 years-old, 60 pounds lighter than him, and hasn't fought in over a year.

Just makes no sense. By that logic, if Heath Herring were to beat Brock Lesnar tomorrow he would be number 3.
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A lot of you guys are forgetting that Nog has very solid boxing and Lesnar does not.
Randy Couture also has very solid boxing. Brock dropped him, Randy is better at avoiding punches than Nogueira.

Nogueira may well out box Brock until Brock catches Nogueira, but I don't see him knocking Brock down, Brock will probably knock Nogueira down at some point, when he hits him flush.

Brock charges in for his hammerfists, "What's going on, Nogueira is recoving!! What's going on, Nogueira is ripping my arm off."

I tell you what, I'd love to see someone put a triangle on Brock Lesnar, imagine seeing that.
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Nog wasn't the champion. He was the interediate or whatever they said. He wasn't the outright champion, he was just going to become champion if Randy never cae back, but he did.
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:03 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Nog wasn't the champion. He was the interediate or whatever they said. He wasn't the outright champion, he was just going to become champion if Randy never cae back, but he did.
And when Randy came back, he should have fought Nog. Not a guy with a 2-1 career record.

But that's only if you wanted to take a legitimate approach to the HW title. Not if you just want to whore fighters out as necessary to make the fastest possible buck.
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Old 11-16-2008, 03:03 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Nog wasn't the champion. He was the interediate or whatever they said. He wasn't the outright champion, he was just going to become champion if Randy never cae back, but he did.
Yeah, we know the scenario, but doesnt mean we think that it was deserved. Nog steps in becomes the Interim Haevyweight champion with no end of sight when/if Couture was goin to come back.

Couture finally decides to end his court battle and comes back as the champion after 15 months sitting on the side whining about his contract to face Lesnar when it should've been Nog.

The reason it was Lesnar?? money, the only reason.
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