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post #11 of 44 (permalink) Old 11-16-2008, 05:12 PM
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Guys like Velasquez and Carwin would eat his lunch as well for similar reasons. Randy just doesn't have those submission skills that are absolutely necessary for a top guy at HW to have. The heavyweight division is comprised of enormous wrestlers and excellent grapplers, Randy just wouldn't be able to hang anymore with the influx of fighters better than him at what he does.
I agree about the submission aspect, but Carwin and Velasquez are not the size of Lesnar...




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It's fortunate brock has at least one good punch in his arsenal that he's good at landing, and that he landed it very nicly in the second round before he got ground down more by the clinch game.
In addition to being "fortunate" and landing a punch, Couture was seriously hurt by several knee strikes, to the legs, to the body, and then two to the head. Couture's legs were wobbly even before he was dropped.

Lesnar's Muay Thai game in and of itself has become a major threat.
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In addition to being "fortunate" and landing a punch, Couture was seriously hurt by several knee strikes, to the legs, to the body, and then two to the head. Couture's legs were wobbly even before he was dropped.

Lesnar's Muay Thai game in and of itself has become a major threat.
I wouldn't go that far, but i can see the argument.

Brock's striking game is developing better than i expected. I think he's going to be interesting as hell to watch for the next 5 years or so.

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In addition to being "fortunate" and landing a punch, Couture was seriously hurt by several knee strikes, to the legs, to the body, and then two to the head. Couture's legs were wobbly even before he was dropped.

Lesnar's Muay Thai game in and of itself has become a major threat.


Wow. I wouldn't call it threatening Muay Thai. His striking is scary, but it's far from refined.




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In addition to being "fortunate" and landing a punch, Couture was seriously hurt by several knee strikes, to the legs, to the body, and then two to the head. Couture's legs were wobbly even before he was dropped.

Lesnar's Muay Thai game in and of itself has become a major threat.
I said this in another thread, but I'll do it again.
He has a lot of power, but still no technique. He throws his knees upward instead of forward, and that is how you generate your power. You want to land with the front of the knee, not the top. Its kind of hard to see it in the clinch, but think of a flying knee, you connect with the front. Thats how you should be throwing all your knees. He is already causing damage with sloppy technique, so when he learns how to do it properly he is going to be busting in rib cages.

Personally, I thought Randy looked pretty good. Even though Brock won the first round, after seeing it I was positive Randy was going to win the fight. He wasn't getting man handled, avoided a lot of punishment and was able to hold Brock up against the cage. Joe Rogan always used to talk about how Randy's clinch sucks the life out of his opponents and it seemed to be doing that to Brock as he looked like he was waning after the first.
Props to Brock for the win though, I didnt think he would do it.
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The only thing I have to say to this is that Randy is 220lbs, 45 freak'n years old and was still far from being overpowered or out-wrestled by a guy who is the biggest heavyweight we'll ever see, (he walks around at 300lbs and has to cut up to 40lbs to make weight).

I don't think you can call Randy under rated in any respect. Last night wasn't his night, but to be doing what he's doing against the guys he's doing it with at his age is simply amazing.
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I don't have time right now to read the rest of your post, but the shot Herring took and the shot Randy took are COMPLETELY different shots.

Herring took a punch to his orbital area (the eye) while Randy got it right on the temple.

Temple = Knockout
Orbital area = PAIN

It's not that Randy can't take a shot, shit he took a punch to his temple from a guy who is 280 pounds and wears 4XL gloves.

Surely as a fighter, you should know the knockout spots on the head.

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I don't have time right now to read the rest of your post, but the shot Herring took and the shot Randy took are COMPLETELY different shots.

Herring took a punch to his orbital area (the eye) while Randy got it right on the temple.

Temple = Knockout
Orbital area = PAIN

It's not that Randy can't take a shot, shit he took a punch to his temple from a guy who is 280 pounds and wears 4XL gloves.

Surely as a fighter, you should know the knockout spots on the head.
Hopefully Brock gets a taste of Shane Carwins 5XL gloved hands.

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Hopefully Brock gets a taste of Shane Carwins 5XL gloved hands.
Too bad for you, carwin doesnt have near the striking ability of lesnar.He was being outstruck by neil freaking wein.Carwin is also not as athletic, fast, or strong as lesnar, despite being the same size
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