I can see what you are saying about Randy at HW. I don't think he'll ever go back to LHW though. He loves being the underdog. If he wins, he's superman. If he loses like last night, nobody is surprised and everyone still loves him. Look at his last 3 fights. If he loses to Silvia, it would have been because of ring rust and Silvia's size and noone blames him. Gonzaga was the big man who knocked out CroCop and everyone would have understood. It seems Randy never enters the ring as the heavy favorite because Randy loves challenges and doesn't except those fights. After he beats Gonzaga, would he have been the underdog against anyone else in the HW division at that time? The answer is no. So he left to seek out Fedor where he woould have been the underdog again. Randy loves challenges more than wins and I love watching him because of that.
Personally I think he'll be the underdog no matter what weight-class he fights in, simply because of his age. I believe there's just as, if not more competition for Randy at LHW, and those match-ups would be considerably more competitive than his HW affairs.
That said, I enjoyed reading your post, you offered an interesting take. I join Flak in welcoming you to the forum.
I agree about the submission aspect, but Carwin and Velasquez are not the size of Lesnar...
They're not the same size, but they're still considerably larger than Randy with very respectable backgrounds in collegiate wrestling. Those are the only two guys in the HW division that I could see putting Lesnar on his back.
The only thing I have to say to this is that Randy is 220lbs, 45 freak'n years old and was still far from being overpowered or out-wrestled by a guy who is the biggest heavyweight we'll ever see, (he walks around at 300lbs and has to cut up to 40lbs to make weight).
I don't think you can call Randy under rated in any respect. Last night wasn't his night, but to be doing what he's doing against the guys he's doing it with at his age is simply amazing.
Don't get me wrong, I'm not shitting on Randy's accomplishments. I just think that if you really look at the list of top 10 fighters in the HW division, comparing skillsets he's the least well-rounded.
His submission game is nil, and he's always going to be outwrestled by larger guys with backgrounds in wrestling. He's got one of the best Greco games in the world, but he couldn't do any damage from that position against Brock, simply because of Brock's wrestling ability and size. Bringing Randy's skill to LHW would be better for him, just because he'd be facing guys he's approximately the same size as.
I don't have time right now to read the rest of your post, but the shot Herring took and the shot Randy took are COMPLETELY different shots.
Herring took a punch to his orbital area (the eye) while Randy got it right on the temple.
Temple = Knockout
Orbital area = PAIN
It's not that Randy can't take a shot, shit he took a punch to his temple from a guy who is 280 pounds and wears 4XL gloves.
Surely as a fighter, you should know the knockout spots on the head.
Yes, I'm aware that they're different shots. However, every time I've ever seen Randy cracked by a punch that connects, he breaks---no matter where it lands. I'm not saying he has a shitty "chin", I just think he doesn't have great recovery ability whereas Herring recovered and survived after being blasted early.
brock wasn't breathing heavy at all (unlike couture who looked winded like he was about to keel over, Deep deep breaths after round one...) It looked like brock was trying to do as little as he had to in the early rounds to let Couture's old man cardio wear out.
I disagree, I think Randy looked the fresher fighter. Yes Brock was letting Randy exert a lot of energy, but by no means did Randy look exhausted by comparison.
wow, this thread was conveniently made right after Brock wins...what do you know
I've been saying it for a while, you should know that. I've never been a huge Couture fan, I respect him for what he's achieved as an athlete---especially for his age---but I've never thought he was anywhere near as good as a lot of people around here believe. If you read my post, you'd recognize that I give tonnes of credit to Lesnar for beating Randy, I just wanted to point out that Couture (in my opinion) isn't the complete fighter (especially at HW) that some members would lead you to believe.
if Brock beats Nog, Nog will have been on his way out of mma and wasn't as good as he used to be....
If he beats Nogueira, I will be amazed because Nogueira is a much more accomplished heavyweight than Randy Couture, and he has a submission game that poses significant problems to Lesnar.