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Old 11-20-2008, 02:21 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Dave Meltzer says all of AKA will eventually be cut!!

I talked to Dave as soon as this happened, and I guess he called Dana White right after that, because Dave hadn't heard about it when I first talked to him. Anyway, here's what he said (just posted on his site), and it's EXTREMELY interesting.

"After a blow-up over the merchandise contract between UFC President Dana White and Duane Zinkin and Bob Cook of Zinkin Entertainment, which represents a slew of UFC fighters, mostly out of the American Kickboxing Association gym in San Jose, the UFC cut Jon Fitch and Christian Wellisch today.

Fitch, who headlined the 8/19 PPV show in Minneapolis against Georges St. Pierre in a welterweight title challenge, had been scheduled to face Akihiro Gono on the 1/31 show in Las Vegas. Fitch co-holds the UFC record for most consecutive wins, with eight, with Royce Gracie and Anderson Silva.

The argument stemmed from Zinkin and Cook advising their clients not to sign the UFC's merchandising agreement, which gives the company lifetime merchandising rights to the fighters.

While not cut yet, without a resolution, White will be cutting Cain Velasquez, the heavyweight who many considered the future of the division, as well as Josh Koscheck. Koscheck will not be cut right now because White felt that by Koscheck saving the company by taking the fight with Thiago Alves on 10/25 on less than two weeks notice, they owed him at least one more fight. Plus, it would be difficult to replace him since he is scheduled for the main event, against Yoshiyuki Yoshida, on 12/10 in Fort Bragg on the next Spike TV "Fight for the Troops" special.

The other major Zinkin Entertainment fighter, Mike Swick, signed the merchandise deal and is in no danger of being dropped"

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Old 11-20-2008, 02:33 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I talked to Dave as soon as this happened, and I guess he called Dana White right after that, because Dave hadn't heard about it when I first talked to him. Anyway, here's what he said (just posted on his site), and it's EXTREMELY interesting.

"After a blow-up over the merchandise contract between UFC President Dana White and Duane Zinkin and Bob Cook of Zinkin Entertainment, which represents a slew of UFC fighters, mostly out of the American Kickboxing Association gym in San Jose, the UFC cut Jon Fitch and Christian Wellisch today.

Fitch, who headlined the 8/19 PPV show in Minneapolis against Georges St. Pierre in a welterweight title challenge, had been scheduled to face Akihiro Gono on the 1/31 show in Las Vegas. Fitch co-holds the UFC record for most consecutive wins, with eight, with Royce Gracie and Anderson Silva.

The argument stemmed from Zinkin and Cook advising their clients not to sign the UFC's merchandising agreement, which gives the company lifetime merchandising rights to the fighters.

While not cut yet, without a resolution, White will be cutting Cain Velasquez, the heavyweight who many considered the future of the division, as well as Josh Koscheck. Koscheck will not be cut right now because White felt that by Koscheck saving the company by taking the fight with Thiago Alves on 10/25 on less than two weeks notice, they owed him at least one more fight. Plus, it would be difficult to replace him since he is scheduled for the main event, against Yoshiyuki Yoshida, on 12/10 in Fort Bragg on the next Spike TV "Fight for the Troops" special.

The other major Zinkin Entertainment fighter, Mike Swick, signed the merchandise deal and is in no danger of being dropped"

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AHH i cant take it anymore, at least finally a detailed source! thx, im tired of posting everywhere!!

Now that makes more sense.

Even if it takes away a little off of the UFC's responsability, its still bs.. no signing on lifetime rights, then you are out?

No wonder negotiation with Fedor never went tru
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Old 11-20-2008, 02:56 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Ah, I'm loving this.

Would Dana have cut someone bigger than Fitch, had they been in the same situation?
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Ah, I'm loving this.

Would Dana have cut someone bigger than Fitch, had they been in the same situation?
yes, he said f*ck all of them.

Imagine if GSP's new agency said no... haha f*ck GSP?
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Yeah that's what I mean, would he ever pull this shit on someone like GSP, Penn, or any other A+ fighter?

I personally doubt it, judging by how Kos is being dealt with, money's way more important to them.
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If you ask me, Dana is getting sick of all those people 'protecting'(or representing is the more correct word) fighters.
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Old 11-20-2008, 03:04 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Man this really blows.


Just as the HW division was picking up steam they lose Frabricio Werdum, Cain Valasquez, and Christian Wellisch in in less then 2 weeks.


On top of that they are losing Jon Fitch and Josh Koshceck. Two of their top Welter Weights.
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It takes a long time for a fighter to build a winning record and a base of fans. It also takes me a long time and a considerable amount of money to become a fan of certain fighters. Koschek for instance. I used to hate the guy. Now, after watching a great many of his fights, I consider myself a fan of his. I ask myself why should I waste my hard earned money purchasing ppv's just to see fighters that I have grown to like sh*t canned at the drop of a hat? I am not interested in the joe shmoe they pick up from wherever to replace a fighter I have watched for 8 years, rather I am interested in fighters whom I have watched work their asses off. UFC better get off its high horse on this, or I will voice my discontent with my wallet.
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Ah, I'm loving this.

Would Dana have cut someone bigger than Fitch, had they been in the same situation?
Probably. Seems like the UFC is going hardheaded when it comes to their contract principles, because once you give somebody a preferred status because of his popularity or whatnot, you end up before a throng of other guys who demand the same rights (and justfully so).

Just think about what value Fedor could bring to the UFC's pocket, and think that "difficult negotiations" are the reason he's not there yet.

Just to clarify, I'm completely against draconic contracts and am very much pro-unions... somebody's advice on the forum here that the fighters should start a workers' union I find really exciting.
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