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its not illegal or anything but me personally i had when the guy puts his hand over ur mouth to interupt ur breathing which i geuss is just part of the fight game but it bugs the shit out of me
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Cheapest Move in MMA

I do not think elbows or footstomps are the cheap moves in MMA. In my opinion cheap means sitting on top of the other fighter and just waiting for the decision. In my opinion, if you are in a completely dominant position for the whole 15 minutes or how ever long the fight is, you should be able to finish the fight at least most of the time. Now to reveal who I am talking about...obviously Tito Ortiz. Everyone seems to think hes so amazing. Sure he is 15 - 4 - 0. Now lets look at how he won those. Well first off 5 are decisions...so he sat on top of Wanderlai Silva, Patrick Cote, Vitor Belfore (split), Forrest Griffin (Split), and Vladimir Matyushenko. Most of these fighters are great fighters, and Tito was forced to just sit on top of them...Now lets talk about his TKO's he has 8. Now lets first mention that 3 of those are Ken Shamrock who is amazing, but definatly shouldnt be fighting anymore. The only person who is decent he has TKO'd is Guy Mezger. He is not only the cheapest in my opinion, he is also one of the most overrated fighters in history. I cant wait until he gets KO'd again from Chuck.

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Cheapest Move in MMA

I do not think elbows or footstomps are the cheap moves in MMA. In my opinion cheap means sitting on top of the other fighter and just waiting for the decision. In my opinion, if you are in a completely dominant position for the whole 15 minutes or how ever long the fight is, you should be able to finish the fight at least most of the time. Now to reveal who I am talking about...obviously Tito Ortiz. Everyone seems to think hes so amazing. Sure he is 15 - 4 - 0. Now lets look at how he won those. Well first off 5 are decisions...so he sat on top of Wanderlai Silva, Patrick Cote, Vitor Belfore (split), Forrest Griffin (Split), and Vladimir Matyushenko. Most of these fighters are great fighters, and Tito was forced to just sit on top of them...Now lets talk about his TKO's he has 8. Now lets first mention that 3 of those are Ken Shamrock who is amazing, but definatly shouldnt be fighting anymore. The only person who is decent he has TKO'd is Guy Mezger. He is not only the cheapest in my opinion, he is also one of the most overrated fighters in history. I cant wait until he gets KO'd again from Chuck.

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although these fighters are not suppose to use rabbit punches, many fighter uses them a huge amount of the time. It should be enforce! Points should be deducted!
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I do not think elbows or footstomps are the cheap moves in MMA. In my opinion cheap means sitting on top of the other fighter and just waiting for the decision. In my opinion, if you are in a completely dominant position for the whole 15 minutes or how ever long the fight is, you should be able to finish the fight at least most of the time. Now to reveal who I am talking about...obviously Tito Ortiz. Everyone seems to think hes so amazing. Sure he is 15 - 4 - 0. Now lets look at how he won those. Well first off 5 are decisions...so he sat on top of Wanderlai Silva, Patrick Cote, Vitor Belfore (split), Forrest Griffin (Split), and Vladimir Matyushenko. Most of these fighters are great fighters, and Tito was forced to just sit on top of them...Now lets talk about his TKO's he has 8. Now lets first mention that 3 of those are Ken Shamrock who is amazing, but definatly shouldnt be fighting anymore. The only person who is decent he has TKO'd is Guy Mezger. He is not only the cheapest in my opinion, he is also one of the most overrated fighters in history. I cant wait until he gets KO'd again from Chuck.

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Have you even watched any of his fights? He doesn’t just lay on guys like you are saying he does, he is one of the only guys in MMA that can effectively pound guys with elbows for there guard. He is a GnP fighter not LnP.
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In my opinion cheap means sitting on top of the other fighter and just waiting for the decision.
I am not sure if this is cheap, I really dont think that anything is really cheap in the game that is legal. Lay and pray is annoying to watch and I would like to see refs bring fights back to the feet if there is not scoring from within the gaurd. Tito is one of the best fighters for scoring guard, and saying that he should not do it would take him out of the UFC. There are also many great wrestlers that use that tatic in the UFC, such as Matt Hughes, Randy Couture, Fedor. If a fighter cannot get out of gaurd from the bottom, and cannot keep from getting taken down, then he does not deserve to win a fight against a wrestler. Take a look at Chuck in his first Couture fight he got taken down 2 or 3 times and he kept getting up.

If you do not like lay and pray watch pride where fighters are penalized financially for stalling.

Impose your will and you will win. If elbowing a guy in the head makes him bleed do it, if a foot stomp gets your opponent to the ground do it. You are blind if you dont think that every compeditive MMA fighter is cheap and does things when the ref is not looking you are wrong. MMA is supposed to be as close to a real world as possible.
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just to clarify what i meant by starting the thread; first off i do like elbows but in ken flow's case he has won a few fights by cutting a guy open when otherwise he would get destroyed. this in my opinion is a very cheap way to win. how are you suppose to fight a guy when you know his only chance is to wait for a chance to cut you open. he cant finish a fight but he might be able to cut you open with one razor sharp elbow. sorry but this is cheap as hell. accidents happen but it is obvious that his intention it to cut people. i agree with everyone about evan tanner he uses this move to finish people not just hope for one to land and cut someone!!
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I do not think elbows or footstomps are the cheap moves in MMA. In my opinion cheap means sitting on top of the other fighter and just waiting for the decision. In my opinion, if you are in a completely dominant position for the whole 15 minutes or how ever long the fight is, you should be able to finish the fight at least most of the time. Now to reveal who I am talking about...obviously Tito Ortiz. Everyone seems to think hes so amazing. Sure he is 15 - 4 - 0. Now lets look at how he won those. Well first off 5 are decisions...so he sat on top of Wanderlai Silva, Patrick Cote, Vitor Belfore (split), Forrest Griffin (Split), and Vladimir Matyushenko. Most of these fighters are great fighters, and Tito was forced to just sit on top of them...Now lets talk about his TKO's he has 8. Now lets first mention that 3 of those are Ken Shamrock who is amazing, but definatly shouldnt be fighting anymore. The only person who is decent he has TKO'd is Guy Mezger. He is not only the cheapest in my opinion, he is also one of the most overrated fighters in history. I cant wait until he gets KO'd again from Chuck.

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HAHA great points, you couldnt of said it better.

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Have you even watched any of his fights? He doesn’t just lay on guys like you are saying he does, he is one of the only guys in MMA that can effectively pound guys with elbows for there guard. He is a GnP fighter not LnP.
Why dont you go to google video and check out some Tito Ortiz "highlights" if that is what you want to call them. He is the most popular borefest out there! I cant stand him in the Octagon...I wish Shamrock woulda KO'd him sooooo bad!

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Why dont you go to google video and check out some Tito Ortiz "highlights" if that is what you want to call them. He is the most popular borefest out there! I cant stand him in the Octagon...I wish Shamrock woulda KO'd him sooooo bad!

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Haha, if you watch any of his highlights you are not going to see him just laying on any one, so how would me doing that help your argument? I don’t need a highlight, I have already seen all of his fights. Tito KO’d Shamrock, so why even bring that up?
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