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Old 11-25-2008, 11:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Lindland is an ugly mofo but no more than Wandy or Jardine both of whom are still with the UFC, personally after seeing Lindland at the last Affliction show I dont see why the UFC would want him, Lindland looked far from a top 10 MW in that last fight againt Fabio Negao, I mean seriously do you really think he is still a threat to Rich Franklin or even say Micheal Bisping (Who I dislike)?
Yeah but both Wandy and Jardine look their part** They both look 100% like their nicknames** Those aren't dudes you'd want to see in a dark alley one night******
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:26 AM   #22 (permalink)
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I think it has something to do with it** You can't compare Lindland to Liddell, Lidell may have a gut but he's also built and a good-looking guy with an exciting fighting style** Lindland is homely, looks like his parents are probably related, is really hairy but not in a hot way like Arlovski, never has big muscles or even any definition to speak of, is pretty much bald, doesn't have particularly inspiring speaking abilities, and has a reputation for smelling really bad**

Back at the time Lindland was first released from the UFC, it was pretty much common knowledge that although he was technically released for wearing a shirt with an unapproved sponsor on it (lol), Dana really wanted him gone because he was a talented but terribly unmarketable and somewhat boring ground fighter who had a good chance to win the title when they really wanted their up and coming, highly marketable, good looking, ripped, muay thai-skilled boy Rich Franklin to take it**


Please note, I'm just explaining what I believe to be Dana's point of view, I personally think the best fighter should be holding the title, not the most marketable one**
Like Hex Rei mentions, there has to be more to this story than the T-Shirt issue, although that is what the official explanation from Dana was. I know Matt, I used to wrestle him in high school, we called him Gumby back then. He was a skinny kid with wicked flexibility and technique compared to other AA school wrestlers. I've been best friends with his cousin for 20+ years, and I hear all the scuttlebutt through him. Dana just doesn't want him around and it has to be because he doesn't have a marketable face and persona. Many hardcore fans recognize his ability, but even they admit he isn't the posterboy for any organization. Clearly Dana sees the same thing. Now that he has spent time in other orgs, and become a local promoter himself, it is likely he burned any chance to climb back into the UFC. Now he is 38 yrs old and will be a non-entity in a few years. So many other middleweight guys offer marketability, there is no reason for the UFC to need him, regardless of his skill. Bodog screwed him out of $$$ (even though he got in the ring with Fedor)and his Affliction fight was against a little known Negao. He fights Babalu in January, it will be interesting to see what happens. I don't think the David Terrell fight was the nail in his UFC coffin, it had to be more than that.

Matt has done a lot for the sport here in Portland Oregon. He is a local favorite, that is for sure. Team Quest has made it's mark on the MMA world.
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:28 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Lindland is not in the UFC becuase he f***ing sucks arse. Who has he beaten? Not only did he knock him self out, get smashed by David Terrell but hes boring to watch. Can someone please tell me a exciting fight hes been in? why would people want him in the ufc when he ffers nothing, no KO's, no brawls. And to top it off, hes a complete prick.
People saying franklin would lose to him is laughable, franklin has smashed everyone apart from silva and machida and hes going to beat Henderson. Ive never figured out why people say franklins overated.
Bottom line is, i would hate to see the day when lindland comes back.
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Old 11-26-2008, 12:41 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Lindland is not in the UFC becuase he f***ing sucks arse. Who has he beaten? Not only did he knock him self out, get smashed by David Terrell but hes boring to watch. Can someone please tell me a exciting fight hes been in? why would people want him in the ufc when he ffers nothing, no KO's, no brawls. And to top it off, hes a complete prick.
People saying franklin would lose to him is laughable, franklin has smashed everyone apart from silva and machida and hes going to beat Henderson. Ive never figured out why people say franklins overated.
Bottom line is, i would hate to see the day when lindland comes back.
Lindland has wins over:

Travis Fulton
Ricardo Almeida
Pat Miletich
Phil Baroni (2x)
Ivan Salaverry
Falaniko Vitale (avenged the loss after his accidental KO)
Tony Fryklund
Travis Lutter
Joe Doerksen
Fabio Leopoldo
Mike Van Arsdale
Jeremy Horn
Carlos Newton

There are so many legends in that list it's ridiculous, and you can't tell me with a straight face that Franklin has much better win list than this, in fact you'll notice they even have some of the same W's. And if you want to play the loss game, Lindland's only losses in the last four years are to Quinton Jackson and Fedor (both recently ranked #1 at their weight), both of whom he went up weight to fight.

And lastly, styles make fights, not win/loss records. Lindland would be a threat to Franklin because he has world-class wrestling ability and has a good chance of taking Rich to the mat and keeping him there.
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Old 11-26-2008, 02:45 PM   #25 (permalink)
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I listened to a radio interview with Dana and he insinuated that Lindland did something in the past that threatened the livelihood of the UFC. Lindland was aware of the consequences and still went through with it and never apologized for his actions. This is why Dana does not want him back.
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That's the previously mentioned t-shirt fiasco. He wore a t-shirt with an unapproved sponsor on it. I have never found out what it was but it seems likely it may have been a blackballed rival promotion logo or something.
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Old 11-26-2008, 06:19 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Of course it's the muscles thing! I mean look at Gabriel Gonzaga, he's chunky so the UFC didn't let him fight.....wait a minute..
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Old 11-27-2008, 02:44 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Lindland is not in the UFC becuase he f***ing sucks arse. Who has he beaten? Not only did he knock him self out, get smashed by David Terrell but hes boring to watch. Can someone please tell me a exciting fight hes been in? why would people want him in the ufc when he ffers nothing, no KO's, no brawls. And to top it off, hes a complete prick.
People saying franklin would lose to him is laughable, franklin has smashed everyone apart from silva and machida and hes going to beat Henderson. Ive never figured out why people say franklins overated.
Bottom line is, i would hate to see the day when lindland comes back.
This is weak and unsubstantiated reasoning. And since when has being a prick impacted the eligibility of fighting in the cage?
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Old 11-27-2008, 06:11 PM   #29 (permalink)
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The law went to a very close desicion against rampage. Who was the ufc champ. Matt also did more damage to fedor then the ex heavywheight champ tim sylivia and thats not even matts class. In fact if it hadn't been for a horrible rope grab by fedor matt might have hung in a bit longer maybe even made a round. Matt is very good but has a few slip ups. Don't we all. I think dana is scared of matt. He cn take down anderson at will and would kill franklin which is dana's boyfriend.

UFC will never get barnett because of the steroid thing i believe. Barnett has went on record saying he has never lost the title so its still his. YOu think this would fuel dana to get him in the ring. Barnett holds wins of big bog who is the co title holder right now.
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