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Old 11-30-2008, 10:59 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Personally Aaronyman I see no way in hell Mir can win.

Mir hasn't had a good win since he beat Sylvia that was a long time ago.

I can't see Mir outstriking Nogueira, I can't see Mir outgrappling Nogueira on top or on the bottom, and I can't see him submitting Nogueira. I honestly don't understand how he could win I haven't looked at a main event like this since GSP vs Serra.
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:11 PM   #22 (permalink)
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so Mir is in shape now? he better hide that belly, it might prevent him from getting those legs up.

Mir has strength on his submissions, no doubt about that. But is he in shape? Well according to what i last saw of him on TV, he certainly doesnt look like a guy who is going to fight in a few months.. that treadmill better be dusted off, cuz he will need it..

But obviously, as usual, the fight is not a locked in fight like so many like to believe.. I personally think Nog will beat him, but i wouldnt bet my house on it either. And i wouldnt bet it would be a KO or submission either.
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:24 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Personally Aaronyman I see no way in hell Mir can win.

Mir hasn't had a good win since he beat Sylvia that was a long time ago.

I can't see Mir outstriking Nogueira, I can't see Mir outgrappling Nogueira on top or on the bottom, and I can't see him submitting Nogueira. I honestly don't understand how he could win I haven't looked at a main event like this since GSP vs Serra.
well than you could have put fitch vs. gsp in that category too....gsp had better striking, wrestling, and better mma grappling....

i could see mir don't well against Nog if he's on top...not sure how he'll get it there, as his wrestling sucks and his cardio is horrific....but that is def a position that i think he survive and win rounds in....and his bottom game is explosive....will he catch nog? not likely, but he can...Nog has almost been submitted by Barnett by a legbar, and Mir is very good at attacking the legs w/ submissions...
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Old 11-30-2008, 11:44 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yea but IMO it was possible for Fitch to keep it standing and beat GSP.

I didn't think he would but it was possible.

I don't see Mir submitting Nogueira I don't think his submission skills are better then Barnett or even close.
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Old 12-01-2008, 12:32 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I cannot believe Mir didn't have medical clearance as the sherdog poster claimed and yet he was still allowed to fight. The big difference between Frank's first fight and Nog is that Nog is a better mma bjj practioner Traven. All the other wins to me are pointless b/c they aren't against top level comp. guys like Fedor, Werdum, Cro Cop, Barnett all guys Nog has fought and beaten with the one glaring blemish being Fedor. The poster is trying to say he is better than he really is but using past fights against crappy fighters, no matter how you spin Nog is the better fighter, bjj buy and champion.
he lost to barnett too by decision
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Old 12-01-2008, 01:22 AM   #26 (permalink)
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The only times I've ever seen Nog look vulnerable were against Sylvia (he came back and won), against Mirko (he came back and won), and against Fedor (Fedor was unable to finish him). Let's analyze these situations. Tim and Mirko both out-struck Nog and were able to brutalize him in the stand-up. But with some phenomenal heart, determination, and jui-jitsu skills, Nog was able to persevere and come back with an impressive win. With Fedor, Nog was simply out-classed. It was absolutely heartbreaking to watch Nog be basically dominated the whole fight.

But then we have a guy like Frank Mir. What does he have to offer that can beat Nog? He has some great jui-jitsu, but when has Nog ever looked vulnerable in jui-jitsu? Against Ricco in ADCC back in 2000 (I think)? That wasn't even in MMA. Nog might not have the best pure jitz, but he has quite possibly the best MMA translated jitz. And then we have the stand-up. If you've watched Mir's fights, I think you'd agree with me if I said his stand-up is sub-par at best. Nog at least has some polished boxing. Nog would most likely out-strike him. Then what about conditioning? Mir has gassed before and the only times I ever say "Hey, Frank Mir looked really impressive" are when he scores a quick finish win. Nog has gone the distance with the best in the world and come out on top many times. What factors are left that people can make outrageous claims of Mir winning this fight?

Now, don't get me wrong. I always enjoy a good underdog win. Like with Serra over GSP. I was on the ground laughing. But with GSP, I feel he was still premature. His most impressive fight was his destruction of Matt Hughes at UFC 65. He was nowhere near the monster then that he is now. So it was at least understandable that Serra stood a chance. I believed in Serra and I laughed at it afterward. But with Nog, we all know what he's capable of. With Mir, we all know how his fights usually end up. But sure, anything can happen. But let's get real here. How does anyone expect Mir to win? I'm not saying it's impossible, but I'm just curious as to how Mir is expected to win by some. It's baffling to me.
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Old 12-01-2008, 07:19 AM   #27 (permalink)
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I hope Mur beats Nog. The love he gets in the place is overwhelming. Like someone said, Mur will have to take Nog down.
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I don't understand you guys. Yea Nog will prolly win BUT....

You guys saying you can't see how Mir could possibly beat him on the ground. How do you even know? Everyone Mir beat on the ground was in less than a minute. Who else does that? Nogueira usually has to wait till his opponent is wore the **** out before he submits them.

Plus, I hate when people say Mir hasn't had a big win in years. Why does that matter? That doesn't have any effect on the outcome of any future fight.
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Losing to every guy with a legit ground game you have faced in years does matter.
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Losing to every guy with a legit ground game you have faced in years does matter.
The ground game had nothing to do with either of those losses though. He got rocked on his feet both times and got finished with strikes, and was clearly not ready to fight Cruz. Excuse or not that was a completely different fighter that night, you can't argue that because it was a year after his accident, not a year after his recovery, but his actual near fatal accident. And even if what your saying was true it still wouldn't matter. It only takes one win to change that. And the win is not gonna influenced at all by the fact that he has yet to beat a big name since Sylvia.

I dunno, I think it would make sense to say, if it goes past the first round, chances are Nog is gonna win. But that first round is gonna be all Frank, possibly even the 2nd if he's in shape for once, and he has proven many times now he can end a fight extremely quick and has really unorthadox and STRONG submissions.

I'd just be a lot more cautious about counting any fighter out based on things that don't even affect the outcome of a fight. That's just me though. Too many crazy upsets happening for me to keep doing that. Forrest didn't have any big wins for a while before facing Shogun. Now he's beaten Shogun AND Rampage in a row and holds the belt.
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